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“It essentially brings us back to a world before the enlightenment, where religion and myths defined our understanding of the world instead of approaching it with rationality.”
"Pre-bunking", if it's going to be effective, basically involves defining an official government-backed "truth" in order to define opposing viewpoints as "disinformation".
It's fundamentally different from debunking because debunking involves exposing the falseness of an information that's existing out there, with proofs and rigor. For pre-bunking however, by definition there's nothing to debunk because it's a process that occurs before.
Which means it's a fundamentally different approach to dealing with our understanding of the world we live in: rather than constructing it based on existing facts which we try to analyze and derive meaning from, she wants our understanding of the world to be based on an official narrative. And when facts do finally occur, to analyze them through the framework of that narrative. It essentially brings us back to a world before the enlightenment, where religion and myths defined our understanding of the world instead of approaching it with rationality. It would be the triumph of dogma vs seeking truth from facts.
Putin Today
Russian journalist Mikhail Rostovsky: World War III has crept up unnoticed. Too strong and categorical a statement? Well, here's a calibrated assessment of the situation for you then. The world may not have noticed it, but the discussion of the technical aspects of a potential #WorldWarIII in the very near future has moved to the most practical plane.
Before #VladimirPutin left Tashkent, he was asked a question about #NATO countries' willingness to allow #Ukraine to use #Western weapons to strike deep into #Russian territory.
The Russian president's answer did not become a world sensation: the wording Putin used seemed too technical or even abstract. But the emphasis here should be placed on the word “seemingly”. Behind the detailed parsing of seemingly irrelevant details, there is an unambiguous #ultimatum.
Vladimir Putin's response consisted of three points.
Point #one: “High-precision long-range weapons cannot be used without space-based reconnaissance means.” What was left unsaid: Ukraine does not have its own space reconnaissance means. But some well-known NATO countries do.
The conclusion from these two facts is that if Western precision weapons strikes on Russian territory become a reality, Russia will refuse to accept Western arguments in the style of “it's not us, it's the Ukrainians.
We only gave them weapons, and they decided how to use them themselves.” Russia will regard such strikes as a “joint venture” between Ukraine and NATO countries.
Point #two. Even if the Western weapons will be serviced by Ukrainian technicians, their role can only be auxiliary and secondary: the missiles' flight missions will be prepared “not by Ukrainian servicemen, but by representatives of NATO countries.” Conclusion: the same as from the first point.
And Putin's #third thesis - directly derived from the first two - needs no additional deciphering and interpretation at all:
“Representatives of NATO countries, especially in Europe, especially in small countries, must realize what they are playing with. They should remember that these are, as a rule, states with small territories and very dense populations.
And this is a factor they should keep in mind before they talk about striking deep into Russian territory. This is a serious thing.”
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well hello that's me again today is May 29th it is Wednesday the hump day
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and uh usually I'm not very proactive so to speak discussing the internal so to
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speak kitchen or Galley if you wish, of American politics and I don't really
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care that much following it, but when you want to look at the signs of the
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complete decomposition of the political system, and with it to a certain degree
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society, not all of American society is decomposing I think, so, that primarily
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the so-called fourth estate, that means the prostitutes from the media - uh, no other people really work there - most of the
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time uh they try to exagerate the splits and the problems because uh the only
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reason modern media mainstream media exists is hype apart from the sometimes
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once in a while accidentally they really do report news such as their genocide unfolding in Gaza obviously, they
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completely lost any credibility by uh well reporting on the special military
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operation but you have to really start thinking that what is going on right now
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is absolutely unprecedented. They literally make things up and that
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affects the mental health of the already pretty much paranoid and you
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know what not stable uh American nation or whatever we understand under
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the you know American society let's call it this way because America is not a nation anymore but so uh what I want to
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say is this is The Washington Post today and look what they do, what do they
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report, I like the, again I like the slogan, ‘democracy dies in darkness’. They
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are Darkness. There are no people of Integrity or any understanding what is
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going on in society except as I already stated prostitutes there are all kinds of the prostitution I'm pretty sure
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there are many people who are really kind of sexual deviant and you know just
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sexual prostitutes there but you know uh there are prostitutes in the moral terms and look what they say for example
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speaking about Mr Trump and his uh you know campaign and meetings with donors
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for example at one event he suggested that he would have bombed Moscow and Beijing if Russia invaded Ukraine or
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China invaded Taiwan, surprising some of the donors the Trump campaign did not
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respond to detailed questions about his fundraising request but issued a statement of support of his efforts so
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the question here obviously is um the same as with the radar in Krasnodar
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and other claims by Ukraine, here's the question, where is the money
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show me the proof that this has been stated, not some hearsay and rumors and
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considering who Mr Trump is and I don't like the guy he's a blowhard, he's the
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hot air balloon and he's narcissist but actually uh he was on record constantly
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speaking about the fact that he would imediately obviously it's not going to happen but he kind of was speaking more
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in the pragmatic type of framework and uh if you can say the childish uh
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Rumblings but truth is where's the proof that Mr Trump said that? Who said it, what
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is the source of that, and again as I already stated many times, US and
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Western media are primarily their own sources, they invent stuff, they just
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completely pull news out of their asses and when you read those things because
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this is the, they are desperate, you cannot miss this uh well pretty
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evident thing actually, so and look at this this is yesterday from
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Politico and they are correct: ‘dems in fullblown freak out over Biden’. Well
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obviously Dems are not in a full freak out over the possibility of the World War III because all of them or most of them
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will simply die together with their families, properties, and everything but they're so dumb and they're so uh mean
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well they're morally depraved most of them anyway and look at this, a pervasive sense of fear has settled in at the
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highest level of the democratic party over President Joe Biden's election prospects even among office holders and
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strategists who have previously expressed confidence about the coming battle with Donald Trump all year
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Democrats have been on a joyless and exhausting grind through the 2024 election. well what can I say guys uh I'm
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talking about Democrats I don't like Republicans I probably fit really well
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into the description of the independent voter in the United States uh but yeah
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obviously I will never vote for anything which emanates so to speak or radiates from
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the Democratic party as much as a uh Republicans are completely corrupt and in the pockets of the Israel uh I would
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have to say that you know what uh when you look at Mr Biden and his administration they are making a great
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strides to destroy whatever is left of the Republic and now they begin
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to understand that you know what uh Americans may not be duped again you know
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in electing the guy who doesn't or half of the time doesn't recognize where he is he has some issues with diapers but
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the problem is here even deeper than that to what kind of low did the United
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States stoop that we everybody discusses that you have two geriatric uh
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Representatives none of who actually is capable of really conducting any kind of the serious development policy in the
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you know industrial military social sphere and Democratic National Committee
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and Democratic party are basically trying to destroy actually the natural law in the United States well what can I
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say and of course because of that they are using any kind of how to put it
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politely they're grasping at the straw and one of them is of course inventing the things which Trump, could have Trump
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In the Heat of the Moment said something like this? It’s possible but
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I don't think so and that is why you do not have any serious sources pointed out.
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And we know what sources are. Right? So, speaking of which, we now go to the uh
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other things which you know you have to understand what is going on in the world and what is going on in the world is
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actually absolute, makes United States absolutely irrelevant, so um how to put
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it politely, uh let's start with the that thing we will go to the uh losses or of
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the uh armed forces of Ukraine for yesterday as you can see yourself um you
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have military personnel killed and wounded 1,760 uh so you have 10 tanks and apcs
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destroyed, 33 armored vehicles, 27 pieces of artillery and mortars, four
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mlrs systems, and you know another plane has been shot
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down and when you look at this uh I'll give you a little bit of understanding
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of the scale. if you look attentively at the numbers you are looking at
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annihilation of the whole Brigade each day. why whole Brigade well theoretically
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Brigade ranges anywhere between you know three 3 and a half to 6,000 people but
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the point it is even if you have Brigade the size of which Ukrainian brigades are
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now much smaller than uh actually uh 6,000 and they're smaller than 3 and a
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half th000 so we're looking at approximately 3,000 size Personnel brigades so when
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you have more than half of your Brigade killed or severely wounded you don't have Brigade you don't have any any real
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fighting unit obviously we understand that these uh um uh losses of Ukraine
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casualties are spread kind of along the whole line of the front but uh there is
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another thing which is many people do not understand and I have to again go
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back to what I stated um you know two years ago when the well more than two years ago
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when the special military operation started because you know when you fight on the ground especially such ground as
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Ukraine or for that matter European theater of operations you have to keep
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your what geographical military mind you know combined arms mind always alert and
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let me give you a kind of definition of the this thing here it's called defile. no
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it's not defile. it's defile and this is the French term and this is absolutely
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correct definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defile_(geography) which Wikipedia gives you once in a while they are really kind
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of useful and it is in geography. defile is a narrow pass or Gorge between
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mountains or Hills. the term originates from a military description of a route
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through which troops can march only in a narrow column or with a narrow front uh
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so and on emerging from a defile or something similar into to the Open
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Country soldiers are said to debouch, so and there are many uh uh so to speak how
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to put it uh locations where you can which are have have actually defiles which
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really important for the you know strategic and operational considerations but uh I want to go back
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roll back my uh uh so to speak you guys and uh go to the start of special
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military operation if you look attentively at the map here is the map
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actually of the area where Russians are continuing to fight and when you take a
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look at this is a next thing to be liberated now Russian forces are within
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uh 1 kilometer 1 and a half kilometer of this and last time I um actually
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explained to you why they are critically important because basically after that you control everything in terms of the
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uh areas where they can theoretically launch anything serious at Russia but
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look at this repeating what I stated two years ago look at the map if you look
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attentively of the main roads and if you look attentively approaches to Kharkov what
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you see here as is the case pretty much anywhere in lugansk and donbass you
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constantly fight in the urban area you change one Village or one town or on
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another as you move and fact is it is nonstop continuous uh fight in the urban
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or Village environment plus as you can see yourself well you need to advance
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using roads obviously because if you look attentively for example Ravine
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between petka and mova you cannot cross it you know it's there are all kinds of
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uh you know forests and all types of the uh trees uh how to put it segment so to
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speak which you have will have difficulty going through them and this
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is your defile in a sense because as you can see yourself on the uh if you look
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at the uh straight and the uh picture or the screenshot of the uh uh satellite
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imagery here on the left side you see yeah bunch of uh you know um bunch of
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the forests with ravines crossing them. small Creeks which makes it very
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difficult if not impossible to cross. so what do you do? you move from Liptsy to Slobozhanski to Rus’ki Tyshky to Cherkas’ki Tyshky to Tsyrkuny
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and there you go so you don't need to go there. Russians do not need to go and take Kharkov. it's absolutely clear so
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what's going to happen and most likely in the nearest days they will take Liptsy
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uh and Slobozhanski whatever uh and they will have their very good position from which to control the, conduct the Fire
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Control of pretty much the whole city of Kharkov and obviously area around it so this
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is very important in terms of understanding what is going on and in terms of understanding why Russians are
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there in the economy mode, Force economy. Why would they go and throw there bunch
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of troops and go and take Kharkov for example or take something uh some Village near Kharkov which is literally
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within the suburb essentially. there is no need to do that and believe
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me uh I would say that uh for people who love to go and scan all those telegram
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channels and things of this nature you know so uh there are very few of them who are really competent in this respect. I
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know those people personally some of them are my friends so but uh it's very
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important to understand that uh Russia is I repeat it again that Russia is not
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fighting Ukraine. there's nothing to fight there really left. is just basically meat storms and as you know Mr
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Sikorski there, well nutjob, you know he's mad basically, he's a Mad Dog and uh
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and his wife of course is the you know pseudo-academic shyster who writes all kinds of BS on the military while having no,
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zero, uh background in it, he wants to, you know what? you know, attack Russia, you
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know and do whatever he wants from the Polish side. uh Russians don’t even count how many Poles they kill there so we now
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know that there is about 1,000 French uh volunteers fighting. uh Russians also do
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not count them they already have been fighing number of bodies with the French Legion you know uh in Sena and things of
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this nature so it really doesn't matter so now they want to do what actually how
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to put it politely stupid they are officially so to speak not that it really mattered before say that okay let
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Ukraine use their Western weapons to you know shoot into Russia. well hello
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they've been doing this before so but this is all PR game and Mr Putin you
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know this President of Russia he comes out and he says that uh yesterday he
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urged NATO countries to remember their small territory with the dense population and the reason he says so
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that yeah Russia may lose their, uh um how to say, patience, and if something
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happens which for for example originates in Poland or Romania, well why not to just blow the hell out of them you know
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and it's uh, he obviously hints at uh nuclear weapons and again many people do
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not understand what tactical weapons are and what uh nonstrategic are. these are
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not the same. so but look at this. so Mr Putin reminded all those you know pipsqueaks
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from Europe that yeah if they want to go, and he already was very explicit about about Poland, he says they go in and
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none of them coming back, so, because Russia will kill them, so but look at this. on May 24 NATO Secretary General
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Jens Stoltenberg in an interview to The Economist called on allies to think about lifting restrictions on the use of
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weapons transferred to Ukraine allowing the possibility of strikes on the territory of Russian Federation. later on
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May 27 he repeated his words at a session of the Parliamentary assembly of the alliance. at the same time in both
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cases Stoltenberg stated they need to avoid escalation. well I mean these are
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schizophrenic people who run Europe. they are in panic indeed and actually
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well, they're also desperate. however in addition stoltenberg’s words were condemned by German Chancellor Olaf
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Schultz as well as uh Italian Prime Minister Georgia Melani and her colleagues. well so colleagues from Italy
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and Western countries have increased military and financial support for Kiev so
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what can I say? these people they try to speak from the both sides of their mouth so to speak but the problem is of course
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there are strategic realities and Russia has been attacked, Russia proper, by those
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so-called weapons nonstop, so well I guess France and Great Britain are due
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for I don't know, there is a Cyprus air base of Royal Air Force, you don't need
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nuclear weapons, you can just wipe it out, you know with uh non strategic I
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mean Conventional Weapons, so, and same goes for France. I mean how many ships
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they have left? so it's all posturing. it's like macron he says one thing in
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the morning then he walks back in the evening and you look at these people yeah they're pipsqueaks. they're stupid
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and in this particular case whatever they say, all those bureaucrats, they have to decide, do they want to fight Russia
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or they don't, because Russians, and I already stated those numbers are no secret, Russia continues to have an
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incredible inflow of the volunteers so I mean uh why do you think
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Russia does this? uh last data was that yeah at least minimum of 30,000
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volunteer each month and guess what? they go into the training camps, they go through boot camp, many of those people are
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experienced people, Russians fight war nonstop and um, if they want to fight,
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sure let them, and uh but yeah if you listen to uh people from the west and
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Western media many of them do not understand what they're talking about, so if Mr Putin wasn't enough, so we have
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this thing uh how to
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um you uh, suddenly Forbes, okay Forbes is
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the, um we know what it is, it's a propaganda outlet. normal people do not work there. there are no military
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specialists there which understand anything, and but look at this, suddenly they say that uh Ukraine is likely
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exaggerating military successes. the American business magazine analyzed statements made by the Ukrainian leader
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Vladimir Zelenski and the Defense Ministry and came to the conclusion that not all of them can be independently
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verified. Well I have news for them, most of them cannot be independently verified
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because they didn't happen. and yeah but sure, as you know, in accordance to
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Ukrainian military and general staff, whose BS was completely bought at the Pentagon and
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by a lot of people in the American Military expert expertdom, so, which tells you that they are not experts, they are
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nincompoops. but they bought it. they bought all of it. they were writing about it for years, two and a half years now
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almost. and you, look at this, yeah I mean, with, uh you know, enemies like this you
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know, ha, good God, these guys will will be running like the, you know, headless chicken for a while in European theater of
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operation trying to figure out what they have to do in real ware. they can't. they have no expertise or experience and that
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is why Russians laugh, I mean laugh off the French, you know, idea, send, you know
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French instructors to train uh ukrainians. Train in what? and as I
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believe who was that uh Larry Johnson? or yesterday somebody who said that, training what? In surrendering? When was
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the last time France won anything, or fought diligently? yeah 1956 or 57 was it Dien Bien Phu? okay
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so they got their ass kicked in by Russian, you know mercenaries essentially, in African Sahel. All this vaunted Foreign
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Legion have basically run away so but yeah sure let them go and fight you know.
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So their combat value is very low as is the combat value of European NATO
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as such but they go into this uh basically berserk mode, they pump
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themselves up, because they need to kind of handle and deal with the issue of the indeed panic and desperation, and what
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can I say? as the result they speak some kind of nonsense on strategic and operational nonsense and again um for
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example when you listen to people from uh United Kingdom, their military, it's a joke their Military Academy Science is
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a joke, people who teach there are a joke, so their General Staff is a joke, so but yet you
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know those people run around like and say yeah we have to consider you know to move in Russia with their troops. With
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what troops? and that's the issue and uh there are some other things including
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the Russian media sphere which uh at some point of time I will touch upon because uh I'll just want to remind you
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for example, one guy, here's another guy, it was May 17 2022, this is the guy who
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was saying the sitation for us will clearly get worse said Mikhail M.
Khodarvonok, a retired Colonel and a conservative
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columnist on Military Affairs said during the 60 Minutes talk show program on the Russian Network. well of course
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New York Times immediately picked up on that and Khodarvonok, was known as a defeatist and not very competent man. he graduated
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Academy of the general staff in 1990s. how did he end up there? he is a air
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defense officer but evidently since then which is now almost 30 years he never
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updated himself on the realities of the combined West, but you know what? sadly
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Russian media generally are slightly better than the Western ones, I mean the
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and I'm not talking about the alternative media, I'm talking about the mainstream media, but you already saw
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yourself how all those predictions turned out. Right? And again many people do not understand that Russians
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understood only after the failure of the negotiations in Istanbul and arrival of
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Mr BoJo (Boris Johnson) who actually acted on behalf of the United States who sabotaged those
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negotiations. so and that's when the real special military operation started and
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that's when their contingency started to, so to speak, being implemented including
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at some point of time this partial mobilization and uh which was completely
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successful, extremely successful, so and we have those things, and you know what? for people who do not have
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attention span of the guppie fish it will be very important to periodically go
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back and compare and reference what has been said and how it has been said and
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by who it has been said, for example in 2022 2023 and of course the start of 2024
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because it gives you excellent picture on this respect but if that hasn't been enough we have now this fundamental
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change and that is a WOWSER. Yesterday already known Russia well the Pyotr Akopov
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obviously rushed a little bit with this uh uh retaliation against Anglo Saxons in Central Asia because it's all the
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terms of the big game. uh United Kingdom is a pipsqueak. the only thing they can do is to do the false flag. militarily
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they’re inconsequential. the only thing they have, as I already stated, MI6 false flag, rape somebody, kill family or two,
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that's pretty much their level of the competence. so here it is: the Afghan Taliban will soon cease to be an
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organization banned in Russia. The Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Justice appealed to the President with
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such a proposal. Sergei Lavrov said, that the Taliban are the real power in Afghanistan and we are not indifferent
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to this country. Which is correct. this is the process of realizing reality. And the exclusion of the Taliban from the list
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of terrorist organization opens up the possibility of official recognition of
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the government of Afghanistan. Well that is huge. But it was
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always as you read my blog I always said, it was pretty much when, not if.
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so we have now this. one of the reasons for example recognition of the Taliban with which
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Russian government works anyway, one of the reasons it was the strengthening of the Anglo Saxon game in Central Asia
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last Friday the director of FSB bortnikov said that the Afghan authorities are actively working to
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normalize the situation. You know who they are: ISIS of course. they are
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fighting all terrorist groups, trying to strengthen the external borders in order to reduce the infiltration of militants
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of international terrorist organizations from the zones of regional conflict and guess what? this is where those Regional
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conflicts uh British American and French are very active because obviously they
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have no capability to fight their combined arms Warfare. they have no wherewithal, including United States, and
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again, situation for United States is much worse than you may even imagine, but yeah, that's what they do, train some kind of
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terrorist groups, you know, so uh, indirect strategies, this is the only thing they can do actually, and um how to put it
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politely, Mr Antonov, the Russian ambassador to Washington, uh he was also
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very much uh critical of what uh Mr Biden stated on the Memorial Day when he
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said that United States saved the world. United States didn't save the world, and why, with greatest respect to the
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veterans of the American US Army and Allied armies in World War II, um they
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were very late to the party, let's put it this way, by that time when the D-Day
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happened, the Wehrmacht as such was pretty much, especially after the operation Bagration
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was basically annihilated. The crème de la crème, the best of them, between 80 and 90% of the
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casualties they sustained, were on Eastern Front. yet here we have all those, you know, it's called Stolen Valor.
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United States and combined West are in the direct Stolen Valor mode. they have been
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for the last decades. And now Mr Macron invited Mr Zelenski, the supporter of Nazi
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regime, at the uh commemoration of the D-Day. so as I already stated this is
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complete moral and cultural and social decomposition of the western societies
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and Western political Elites. many of them are actually like Nazis and they would love nothing more than kill more
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Russian civilians so uh and well but Russians continue to do what they do and
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guess what? in conclusion we have this wonderful news. news which are well what many
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people do not understand; Exclusive: India's Reliance, uh largest
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refinery in India, to buy Russian oil in Rubles, sources say. uh India's Reliance
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Industries, operator of the world's biggest refining complex has signed a one-year deal with Russia’s Rosneft to buy
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at least 3 million barrels of oil a month in Rubles, four sources aware of the matter
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told Reuters. the shift of Ruble payments follows Russian President Vladimir Putin push for Moscow and its trading partners
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to, many people do not understand, there are two processes which are happening. I
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mean, well, obviously de-dollarization which is the factor while reducing the uh share of the dollar US dollar in
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settling of the international accounts. if you take a look for example at Russia and China, trade which grows, I
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mean dramatically, uh you also see yourself that practically it's all rubles and uh and yuans, but it's also the
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fact of the creating absolutely independent system, where dollar is irrelevant, which is completely insulated
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from the dollar. this not just the dollarization. it is more than that. it's a parallel structure which already is
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emerging. you can see it. it's tangible. it works and this is the worst nightmare
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for all those MBAs, you know, and all those mathematicians you know from the Wall Street and those you know uh people
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in Congress and you know who sit, and are bought up by big corporations because the only thing the United States really
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exports, in the most amazing quantities, is inflation. and how long it continues? well
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Europe should go hungry at some point of time. So, and we already see this kind the, you know, rearrangement big
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time economically, especially, and the system of a completely independent, I mean
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Financial settling of the accounts banking system, is already there. it is
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already operational. it just the matter of, you know, kind of ironing things out
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and, you know, dealing with the bugs. So there you go this is the worst nightmare
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for them and they can do nothing because none of them, even combined, can fight
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Russia militarily. And this is as simple as that. They will not survive it and I'm
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talking about conventional war. In terms of nuclear war, I mean, yeah, probably even the dumbest and most fanatical of
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neocons understands that once the thing flies such as avanguard into Washington
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DC or into Warsaw, whatever, uh, it's over guys, for them, physically. they will never
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be there again. and that probably should help to cool down some really hot
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shots who never experienced any difficulty, any real war, any real, do not
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have any real military education, and this is what I wanted to tell you today, guys,
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guys bye-bye
For a western man like me, with (supposedly) western values, it is shocking how far the exit from reality has reached down to the individual level. Meeting someone who has any clue what is happening in the world, or in the West, is a big and rare event. Still, there are some. Some of them tell me that they want to escape the West because just being here is becoming unbearable. The parallel dimension is not kind to everybody, it seems. One can only take certain amount of reality distortions, lies, idiocy, and government oppression and corruption before something breaks. Expect more and more people feeling like this and planning their escape. Hopefully they will act before it is too late.
A CIVILIZATION BEYOND REALITY
A group of sinister aliens from another dimension discover a planet with sentient life. The inhabitants are fairly smart and have an advanced culture with great works of art, literature and architecture. They engage in cooperation and competition, and are constantly warring. They seem to need war and strife to thrive and evolve. The sinister aliens want that planet. They want to perform many social and scientific experiments on its inhabitants. The only problem is that the aliens do not function well in this dimension. The only way they can use the planet’s population for their amusement is to transport the entire planet into their own dimension. The aliens happen to have a device which is capable of such a feat.
This is not a straightforward process because the dimension the aliens come from has a different reality from the one the planet is in. In the alien dimension, concepts and ideas are as real as physical objects. Physical objects can also physically change if a new definition is applied to them. A rock can turn into gold if it is redefined as gold. Machines can run without energy and products appear in stores without needing to be produced. A war can be won by determination alone. People can be made to like you by wishing alone. People can also physically change if definitions are changed. A dumb person can be redefined as smart, an incompetent person can be redefined as competent, an ugly person can be redefined as beautiful, and a man can turn into a woman and a woman into a man through gender redefinition. It is a paradise of possibilities.
The aliens activate their device and Earth jumps dimensions in an instant. Then they watch as the population adapts to the new reality. It’s a resounding success for the most part as the majority embraces the new reality and forgets the old. Then the problems begin …
The text above is a plot description for an outlandish science fiction novel. It could also be a description of what is happening to western civilization – presumably minus the aliens and the other dimension.
It is difficult to put a finger on the essence of a civilization – what makes it unique and different from other civilizations. It is easier if time has passed, providing context. Still, even without time and context, is clear that the main characteristic of the current western civilization is its abandonment of reality. It is not just denial of how badly things are going, leading to delusional thinking. It is much deeper than that. It has become the main thread in the fabric of the West. The abandonment of reality is the main driving force for everything western, including economic policies, foreign relations and social policies. This is a problem because operating outside reality will always lead to failure and disaster. Ask any mental patient.
On some level the leaders of the West realize this. Their panic over the Ukraine war attests to that. President Macron believes that losing that war will mean the end of the European Union. He is probably right. But why would a defeat be the end of the EU? It is likely that a defeat would result in the fracturing of the EU and possibly NATO – the EU’s control mechanism. That is, however, not the ultimate reason the EU will fall. The real reason is that the EU is extremely fragile, and as it consolidates power over its member states and populations, it will become more fragile still.
The reason for the EU’s fragility is that it has been removed from the realm of reality. The foundations of its economy and competitiveness have been removed through its energy and sanctions policies, its governments and institutions are almost solely staffed by incompetents, its education system is failing, its uncontrolled immigration is unsustainable, and it is technically massively bankrupt with trillions and trillions of debt that can never be paid. No society or civilization can survive what has already happened to the EU.
Still, all this is the result of carefully designed policies which have created this situation over the last decades. These policies were meant to create a new reality, another dimension, where everything would be designed to be a part of a utopian control system for the population, like in the sci-fi novel. A system like this, where both economic and social realities have been abandoned, will not survive any clash with reality. An unsustainable civilization operating without logic or reason cannot coexist with any sovereign rational civilization with real economical foundations on the same planet. Still, it was believed that this would work because the EU (and the West as a whole) would never have to experience this clash.
The western plan was to move the entire planet into the EU/US parallel dimension. In that dimension reality as we know it would be irrelevant and the planners would be able to do anything they want. There would be no outside competition and no place for the population to run. This was the reason Russia and China had to be conquered. The exit of the West into the other dimension simply couldn’t work with them around. Either everybody shifts dimensions, or nobody does.
We are seeing now what happens when reality is only partially abandoned, with a large part of the planet refusing to exit with the West. Every global consolidation scheme is being thwarted – the latest one being the WHO takeover plot. Reality, in the form of the Russian Army, is approaching from the east, and political and economic isolation is moving in from all directions. The clash with reality has already started. The reason the EU is consolidating its power over member states and the US is clamping down on everyone and everything who dissents is that both have already started fracturing. Consolidation and control are instinctive responses to things falling apart. The fall of the EU and the US is not imminent – it has already started and it cannot be stopped.
Unless, of course, the original plan of a planet-wide exit can somehow be implemented. The neutralization of Russia through the Ukraine war and sanctions was the first step of that plan. The economic and perhaps military subjugation of China was the second part. Without any non-western power centers to rely on, the rest of the world would then fall in line automatically with minimum effort. At that point there would be no competing reality with the West’s. Of course the success of the plan will not stop the fall of the West – it will only allow it to be controlled in the desired direction toward the planned science fiction future.
The recent words and deeds of the people running the West clearly indicate that they have decided to give the plan another try. A division of labor has been agreed upon, with the EU tasked with fighting Russia while the US focuses on China. There is no alternative plan. They cannot retreat and change the course of the West toward reality – things have gone too far for that. Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together.
We can see this from how completely the West has abandoned economic and financial realities. The US debt is increasing by a trillion every 100 days, and they don’t care anymore. The US is planning to use its dominance as the “critical global consumer” and what is left of the western financial control system to isolate and subjugate China, even though it will almost certainly destroy the reserve status of the dollar and the rest of the western financial control system. Debt increase like this, coupled with a loss of reserve status, will create a situation for the US which will amount to an economic Hell on Earth. They just don’t care about that anymore. An exit from reality is the West’s only hope at this point and they’re all in now.
The EU is the biggest threat to the Plan at the moment because it’s losing control of its debt. If it does, the whole system will come crashing down and an exit to the parallel dimension will be impossible – even for the US. To buy some time the EU has come up with a cunning plan: they intend to default without defaulting. The problem with the EU debt (like most other debt) is that it has too little collateral – i.e. real things that backstop the debt. Debt without collateral is toxic and destroys everything it touches. To fix this the EU seems to be planning to do away with physical collateral altogether. They are planning a switcheroo, where real things backstopping the debt will be replaced with a concept, or an idea. This concept will probably be based on carbon allowances and “green bonds” – or something like that, and the increased EU control of European companies is meant to force this change. The collateral will simply be redefined and made real through a diktat, like in the science fiction novel.
The options for the western populations are grim at the moment. It’s either a dystopian exit from reality in all perpetuity or a total collapse with horrific social and economic consequences. Of the two options, the latter one is better for most people. There is a third option through; an outright sovereign rebellion – particularly within the EU. The only chance an EU country now has of avoiding these eventualities, even to a limited degree, is to forcefully exit the EU no matter the consequences. The same applies to western vassal states elsewhere, such as Japan and South Korea. An exit from the western system will be extremely painful and difficult, but it will be better than exiting reality altogether.
It is this third option that has got the EU leaders so spooked at the moment. The arrival of Russia to the EU’s eastern border would create an escape route for some EU states. It would neutralize the EU’s ability to hold them hostage and regime-change them. This explains the existential terror of the EU elite and its frantic attempts at neutralizing dissenting countries (and leaders) such as Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. A sovereign rebellion and an uncontrolled EU default are the biggest short-terms threats to the western plan. Expect all stops to be pulled out in Europe against that.
Based on this (somewhat speculative) analysis, a global war is unavoidable. It will be a full-spectrum war the West will fight – not for the existence of western civilization – but for its subjugation and destruction. It is perhaps the first war in history where a civilization fights a war so it can safely commit suicide. We are actually there.
For a western man like me, with (supposedly) western values, it is shocking how far the exit from reality has reached down to the individual level. Meeting someone who has any clue what is happening in the world, or in the West, is a big and rare event. Still, there are some. Some of them tell me that they want to escape the West because just being here is becoming unbearable. The parallel dimension is not kind to everybody, it seems. One can only take certain amount of reality distortions, lies, idiocy, and government oppression and corruption before something breaks. Expect more and more people feeling like this and planning their escape. Hopefully they will act before it is too late.
https://x.com/realpepeescobar/status/1795734560132759798
So it’s idle to get into a huff over the babbling of a gaggle of insignificant exceptionalists with the perspicacity of a cucumber.
https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1795820728924672427
🇺🇸JEFFREY SACHS:
"In 2007, President Putin gave a very clear speech at the Munich Security Conference—very powerful, very correct, very frustrated—where he said:
'Gentlemen, you told us in 1990 that NATO would never enlarge. That was the promise made to President Gorbachev and it was the promise made to President Yeltsin. You cheated, and you repeatedly cheated, and you don't even admit that you said this. But it's all plainly documented, by the way, in a thousand archival sites, so it's easy to verify all of this.'
James Baker III, our Secretary of State, said that NATO would not move one inch eastward. It wasn't a flippant statement; it was a statement repeated and repeated and repeated.
Hans-Dietrich Genscher, the Foreign Minister of Germany, said the same story. The Germans wanted reunification, and Gorbachev said, 'We'll support that, but we don't want that to come at our expense.'
'No, no, it won't come at your expense. NATO won't move one inch eastward, Mr. President,' was repeated so many times in many documents, many statements by the NATO Secretary General, by the US Secretary of State, by the German Chancellor.
Now, of course, all denied by our foreign policy establishment because we're not supposed to remember anything.
Remember, this was all 'unprovoked'.
So, back to 2007—Putin gives this speech and says:
'Stop. Don't even think about Ukraine. This is our 2,100-kilometer border. This is absolutely part of the integrated economy of this region. Don't even think about it.'
Now, I know from insiders, from all the diplomatic work that I do, that European leaders were saying to the US, 'Don't think about Ukraine. Please, you know this is not a good idea. Just stop.'
We know from our current CIA Director, Bill Burns, that he wrote a very eloquent, impassioned, articulate, clear, secret (as usual) memo, which we only got to see because Wikileaks showed the American people what maybe we would like to know once in a while but are never told—what our government's doing, how they're putting us at nuclear risk, and other things.
This one did get out, and it's called 'Nyet Means Nyet' ('No Means No').
What Bill Burns very perceptively, articulately conveys to Condoleezza Rice and back to the White House in 2008 is: 'Ukraine is really a red line. Don't do it. It's not just Putin; it's not just Putin's government. It's the entire political class of Russia.'
And just to help all of us as we think about it, it is exactly as if Mexico said, 'We think it would be great to have a Chinese military base on the Rio Grande. We can't see why the US would have any problem with that.'
Of course, we would go completely insane (and we should, of course).
The whole idea is so absurdly dangerous and reckless that you can't even imagine grown-ups doing this.
What happens is, from what I'm told by European leaders and through long, detailed discussions, Bush Jr. says to them, 'No, no, no, no, it's okay. Don't worry. I hear you about Ukraine.'
Then he goes off for the Christmas holidays and comes back—whether it's Cheney, whether it's Bush, whatever it is—and says, 'Yeah, NATO's going to enlarge to Ukraine.'
The Europeans are shocked, pissed—'What are you doing?'"
https://x.com/nxt888/status/1795749139965423885
“Excerpt from remarks by Professor Jeffrey Sachs, American economist and academic, in an interview with Tucker Carlson, May 28, 2024.:
https://x.com/realpepeescobar/status/1795734833374933108
https://x.com/kevorkalmassian/status/1795761886270476791
Shit on a stick
It’s summertime kids so have a nice cool controlled narratives popsicle. Yeah it’s shit-on-a-stick actually, but, mmmmmm goood!
https://x.com/glenn_diesen/status/1796036374337843526
https://www.svtplay.se/video/jqWYBkv/hemma-hos-malin-persson-giolito-drommar-om-europa/avsnitt-1
Oh my god I just read the description.
The author and lawyer Malin Persson Giolito invites a few well-chosen guests for dinner and conversation about Europe at home in the kitchen in Brussels. Is the European dream dead? Or will the EU save the world? Chef Sébastien Denie is responsible for the cooking and the evening's guests are: Diplomat Olof Skoog who is the EU's special representative for human rights, former Minister of State and Foreign Affairs Carl Bildt, Matteo Mecacci, head of the OSCE's human rights office and Jaan Paju, docent in European law. Part 1 of 2.
I have a profound revulsion to these “Europe is a garden; the rest of the world is a jungle” types.
But wow, that’s the least of my reaction to the description. The question it sets out, from Brussels, is loaded, with delusion, non self-awareness and a bizarre self image in place of it.
The clock ran out on the US-Anglo full spectrum dominance (with Brussels as their delusional lackey pool boy servants). The clock ran out. The bell tolled for that years ago alteady.
News always comes very late to Sweden though. So the delusional narrative will play on longer here. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Shit on a stick
Delusional pool-boy lackeys serving shit on a stick controlled narratives popsicles to suck on
https://x.com/rnaudbertrand/status/1796049704293486800
https://x.com/glenn_diesen/status/1796061525540516026
https://x.com/glenn_diesen/status/1796102941331308824
https://x.com/cheburekiman/status/1795877824139600222
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do you drink coffee? all the time non-stop. me too non-stop N9 or 10 cups a day. yeah it's good I like coffee and I
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drink it straight until minutes before bed. I do too. oh do you? yeah and we will
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never drink as much as Voltaire drank. yeah. yeah oh is that right? like 40 cups. yeah oh is that right? oh yeah and it
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worked. okay so the the one thing that we know we heard about the movement of
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Russian troops into eastern Ukraine in February of 2022 was it was unprovoked.
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here's a here's a selection of what we know about that: “the Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of
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Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity.” “This is
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a premeditated attack.” “Russia's unprovoked and cruel Invasion has galvanized countries from around the
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world.” “Russia's unprovoked and unjustified attack on Ukraine.” “Russia conducted an
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unprovoked war of aggression against” “this unprovoked Russian war of aggression has
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got to be met with strength.” “Vladimir Putin
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decided unprovoked to start this war.” So was it
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unprovoked? Well we did hear that a lot of times I. I actually asked a research
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assistant of mine to count how many times we heard that in the New York Times in that first year from February
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2022 to February 2023 in their opinion columns. It was 26 times
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unprovoked. of course things aren't unprovoked. it's almost a brand name The Unprovoked Invasion. It's it's the lazy
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person's uh dodge for uh actually trying to think through what's going on and and
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it's very dangerous because it's uh it's wrong uh it gets the whole story completely wrong and it misunderstands
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the trap that we set for ourselves as the United States, to push Ukraine deeper and deeper and deeper into this hopeless
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uh mess that they're in right now. so in what sense was it provoked? like what started this basically? it started very
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simply which is that the United States uh government, let's not call it the US
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people, they had nothing to do with this, but the US government uh said uh we're going to put Ukraine on our side and
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we're going to go right up to that 2,100 kilometer border with Russia. we're going to
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put our troops and NATO and maybe missiles or whatever we want because we are the sole superpower of the world and
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we do what we want and uh it it goes back actually uh a long way it goes back
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170 years. the Brits had this idea first uh, surround Russia in the Black Sea
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region and Russia's not a great power anymore, and that was uh Lord Palmerston’s
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idea in the Crimean War 1853 to 1856 and the Brits taught us what we
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know about Empire uh and they basically taught us the idea, you know Russia, it
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needs an outlet, it needs an outlet to the Middle East, it needs an outlet to the Mediterranean, you surround Russia in
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the Black Sea, uh, you have rendered Russia a second or third rate country.
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and Zbigniew Brzezinksi uh, one of our lead geo-
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strategists of uh uh the current era wrote in 1997, let's do this uh let's make sure
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that we basically surround Russia in the Black Sea region. they got this idea
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that we’ll expand NATO so that every country in the Black Sea around Russia
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is a NATO country. Right now uh well back then Turkey was a NATO country but we
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said okay we'll get Romania and Bulgaria and we'll get Ukraine and we'll get
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Georgia. Now Georgia you know not our Georgia, Atlanta Georgia, Georgia of the
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Black Sea. We used to call it Soviet Georgia. Yes, Soviet Georgia if you want to call it that. Home of Stalin. It it
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it's not NATO North Atlantic, it's it's way out there on the Eastern edge of of
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the Black Sea region. people can look at a map. but we said yeah we'll make Georgia part of NATO too
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and the reason was very clear and zbig (brzezinski) was very explicit about it that this is our way to basically dominate Eurasia.
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if we can dominate the Black Sea region then Russia's nothing. if we make Russia
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nothing then we can basically control Eurasia meaning all the way from Europe
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to Central Asia and through our influence in East Asia do the same thing.
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and that's American unipolarity. We Run the World world. we are the hegemon. we are the sole superpower. we are
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unchallenged. so that's the idea. but why would you want that? why would the Brits want that? why does the
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US state department want that? what what about Russia which is not actually much
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of an expansionist power is so threatening? like it it's it's it's not about Russia. it's about the US. it's it's
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about Britain before that. um I think it's a little bit like uh that old game
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of RISK. I don't know if you played that as a kid, but the idea was have your peace on every place in the world, you
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know that was the game. and you read the American strategists whether it's
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Zbig Brzezinski, although he was a very moderate, or the neocons who have run US foreign policy for the last 30 years. Us.
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the the neocons are very explicit: the US must be the
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unchallenged superpower in every place in the world in every region. we must dominate. it's
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quite a, that's quite a load for us American people. what they say is we are
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going to be the constabulary duty holder, what fancy word for saying
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we'll be the world's policeman, they they say it explicitly. they say “that's lots of Wars. we have to be ready for all
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these wars.” To my mind it's a little crazy but their idea was after the end
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of the Soviet Union well now we run the world. and to come back to Russia, the
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idea was well Russia's weak, it's down, it's, we're the sole superpower, they're
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they're on on their back or on their knees, whatever it is, and now we can move NATO where we want and we can surround
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them and uh the Russians said um please don't do that, don't bring your
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troops, your weapons, your missiles, right up to our border, it's not a good idea and and the US, I was around in those
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years involved in in uh Russia and in Central Europe, the US was uh we don't
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hear you, we don't hear you, we do what we want. they kept pushing inside the US
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government in the 1990s when this debate was going, should NATO expand? some people
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said yeah but uh we told Gorbachev and we told Yeltsin we weren't going to expand at all. “Now come on, Soviet Union's
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done; we can do what we want we're the sole superpower.” Clinton bought into that. that was Madeline Albright's line uh
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NATO enlargement started and our most
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sophisticated diplomats, we used to have diplomats at the time, we don't have them anymore, but we used to have diplomats
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like George Kennan said, this is the greatest mistake we could possibly make.
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We had a defense secretary Bill Perry who was Clinton's defense secretary who
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agonized, “God, I should resign over this. this is terrible what's going on.” But he was outmaneuvered diplomatically by
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Richard Holbrook and by Madeline Albright and Clinton never thought through
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anything systematically in my opinion and uh so they decided okay Hungary Poland Czech Republic first round and
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then Brzezinski in a 1997 article in Foreign Affairs magazine
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which is kind of the bellweather of, yes, foreign policy, wrote uh a strategy for Eurasia where he
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laid out exactly the timeline for this US expansion of power and he said late
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1990s we'll take in Central Europe Hungary Poland and Czech Republic. by the
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early 2000s we'll take in the Baltic states. now that's getting close to Russia. by 2005 to 2010 we’ll invite
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Ukraine to become part of NATO. so this this wasn't some flippant thing. this was
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a long-term plan and it was based on a long-term geostrategy. now the
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Russians are saying, are you kidding? we wanted peace. we ended the Cold War. I,
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you didn't just defeat us. We said no more. we disbanded the Warsaw Pact. we
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wanted peace. we wanted cooperation. you call it Victory. we we just wanted to cooperate. I know that for a fact because
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I was there in those years. what Gorbachev wanted what Yeltsin wanted, they didn't want war with the United States
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nor were they saying “we're defeated.” they were saying we just want to cooperate. we want to stop the Cold War. we want to
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become part of a world economy. we want to be a normal economy. we want to be a normal society connected with you,
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connected with Europe, connected with Asia. And the US said “we get it we get it, we won, you do everything we say and we
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determine how the pieces are going to go.” so in the early 2000s Putin comes in first uh uh first
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business for Putin was good cooperation with Europe. you go back to the early 2000s. again I know the people. I watched
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closely. I was a participant in some of it. Putin was completely pro- Europe. yes.
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the and and pro US by the way. I know. and and we don't want to talk about this. we
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don't want to admit it because we don't want anything other than unprovoked so
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so everything is phony what we say. everything is a lie. but just to
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say. the US kept doing unilateral things that were really outrageous. in 1999 we bombed Belgrade for 78 days. bad move. uh absolutely. we bombed a capital
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of Europe for 78 days. Looking back, what was the point of that? The
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point of that was to break Serbia and to create a new state, Kosovo, where we have
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the largest NATO military base in southeast Europe. we put Bondsteel base
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there because we wanted a base in South Eastern Europe and again you look at the
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neocons, it's nice of them, they actually describe all of this in various documents, you have to make the links but
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in a document called uh uh Rebuilding America's Defenses in the year 2000 they
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say the Balkans is a new strategic area for the US so we have to move large
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troops to the Balkans because their idea is literally the game of Risk, not just
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you need good relations or peace; we need our pieces on the board, we need military
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bases with the uh with the advanced positioning of our military everywhere
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in the world. so they wanted a big base in uh in Southeastern Europe. they didn't like Serbia. Serbia was close to Russia.
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anyway we're the sole superpower. we do what we want. so uh they divided the
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country, uh which they now claim, you never do you know, you never change borders. we broke apart Serbia,
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established by our declaration a new country, Kosovo. We put a huge NATO base
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there and that was the goal so that was 1999. It wasn't to save the oppressed Muslim population, excuse me? It wasn't to
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save the oppressed Muslim population. it it was uh very very much to save the
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military-industrial complex, to have a nice location in Southeastern Europe. it killed all those people, wrecked the city.
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you know it was a little bit sad but uh we do lots of sad things and lots of
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destructive things, lots of Wars, we're the country of Perpetual War. we don't look back. we're not even supposed to
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talk about this cuz this was unprovoked, remember? so in 2002 the US unilaterally
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pulled out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty, unilaterally. well that was one of
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the stabilizers of the relationship with Russia. it was one of the stabilizers of the the global
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nuclear uh situation which is absolutely dangerous and the US unilaterally
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started putting Aegis missiles into first Poland then Romania and the Russians are
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saying, wait a minute, what do we know? you're putting in this you're a few minutes from Moscow, this is completely
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destabilizing. do you think you might want to talk to us? so then comes 2004,
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seven more countries in NATO Latvia Lithuania Estonia Romania Bulgaria
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Slovakia and Slovenia now starting filling in the Black Sea. Romania and
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Bulgaria suddenly they are now North Atlantic countries but it's all part of this design all spelled out all quite
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explicit, we’re surrounding Russia. In 2007 President Putin gave a very clear speech
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at the Munich security conference very powerful, very correct,
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very frustrated, where he said uh
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gentlemen uh you told us in 1990 NATO would never enlarge, that was the promise
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made to president Gorbachev and it was the promise made to president Yeltsin and
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you cheated, and you repeatedly cheated, and you don't even admit that you said
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this. But it's all plainly documented by the way, and as you know, in a thousand
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archival uh sites, so it's easy to to verify all of this. James Baker III our
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Secretary of State said that NATO would not move one inch eastward and it wasn't
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a flippant statement. it was a statement repeated and repeated and repeated. Hans
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D Hans Dieter Genscher, the uh Foreign Minister of Germany, same story. the
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Germans wanted reunification. Gorbachev said we'll support that but we don't
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want that to come at our expense. “no no it won't come at your expense.” NATO won't
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Won’t move one inch eastward Mr President. Repeated so many times in many documents
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many statements, by the NATO Secretary General, by the US Secretary of State, by
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uh the German Chancellor. Now of course all denied by our foreign policy blob,
15:33
because we're not supposed to remember anything. remember this was all unprovoked. so back to 2007, Putin gives
15:40
this speech and he says, “stop. don't even think about Ukraine. this is our
15:48
2,100 kilometer border. this is absolutely part of the integrated
15:55
economy of this region. don't even think about it.” Now I know from insiders
16:02
from all the Diplomatic work that I do that Europe was saying to the US,
16:08
European leaders, “don't think about Ukraine. please. you know, this is not a good idea. just
16:15
stop. we know from our current CIA director Bill Burns uh that he wrote a
16:24
very eloquent uh impassioned uh articulate,
16:30
clear, secret as usual, memo, uh which we only got to see because uh Wikileaks
16:38
showed to the American people what maybe we would like to know once in a while but we're never told what our
16:43
government's doing, what they're doing and how they're putting us at nuclear risk and other things, okay this one did
16:49
get out and it's called Nyet Means Nyet, no means no, is and what what Bill Burns
16:55
very uh perceptively articulately conveys to Condoleezza Rice and back to the
17:01
White House in uh 2008, is, “Ukraine is really a red line. don't do it. it's not
17:09
just Putin. it's not just Putin's government. it's the entire political
17:15
class of Russia.” And just to help all of us as we think about it it is
17:22
exactly as if Mexico said we think it would be great to have
17:27
Chinese military bases on the Rio Grand, we can't see why the US would have any problem with that. of course we would go
17:35
completely insane but we. and we should. and we should of course. it's, the whole idea is so absurdly dangerous and
17:45
Reckless that you you can't even imagine grown-ups doing this. so what
17:50
happens is the what for what I'm told by European leaders uh and by long detailed
18:00
discussion, Bush Jr says to them, “no no no no it's okay. don't don't uh don't worry.
18:07
I hear you about Ukraine.” uh and then he goes off for the Christmas holidays and
18:14
comes back, whether it's Cheney, whether it's Bush, whatever it is, says “um yeah
18:20
NATO's going to enlarge to Ukraine” and the Europeans are shocked, pissed uh what
18:26
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18:32
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19:13
decision. Bush did not make the decision, right? I mean it sounds if I'm hearing
19:18
what you're. what I'm saying, yeah, no, Bush did make the decision. no what I'm saying is he had told the Europeans “I hear you;
19:25
I'm not going to do it.” But it sounds like he was influenced by the people around him. No, that could be, yeah I don't
19:31
know whether it was CIA, or whether someone explained to him, or whether someone said George Mr President uh this
19:38
is a long-standing project, you know, it's not something for a European country to
19:44
object to. I don't know what happened there but what I do know is that he came back and told the European leaders “no,
19:50
we're we're doing it.” They said no no no no no no we're not doing it and then they had the NATO Summit in
19:56
Bucharest and this was 08 and the Europeans uh Chancellor
20:03
Merkel uh the French President all of them, “George, don't do this. don't do this.
20:10
this is extraordinarily dangerous. this is really provocative. we don't really need or want NATO right up to the…”
Why did America push for Ukraine to join NATO?
20:17
…Russian border. Bush pushed pushed pushed. This is a US Alliance fundamentally and they
20:25
made the commitment, Ukraine will become a member of NATO. The dodge was, okay we
20:31
won't give them exactly the road map right now but Ukraine will become a
20:36
member of NATO because in those days the US and Russia met in a NATO partnership
20:44
even then Putin was there the next day in Bucharest saying “don't do this. this
20:51
is completely reckless. essentially this is our fundamental Red Line. do not do
20:59
this.” The US can't hear any of this. This is our biggest problem of all because
21:06
the neocons who have run the show for 30 years believe the US can do whatever it
21:14
wants this is the most fundamental point to understand about US foreign policy: they're wrong. they keep screwing up. they
21:21
keep getting us into trillion dollar plus Wars. they keep keep killing a lot of people. but their basic belief is the
21:27
US is the only superpower. it's the unipolar power and we can do what we
21:33
want. so they could not hear Putin even that moment they couldn't hear the rest of the Europeans and by the way they
21:39
said Georgia would become part of NATO. Again the only way to understand that is
21:45
in this longstanding Palmerston Brzezinski, yes, theory. this isn't just haphazard, oh
21:52
why don't we take Georgia, this is a plan, okay? the Russians understand every single step of this. so another thing
22:00
goes awry. what goes awry, the Ukrainians don't want NATO enlargement. the
22:06
Ukrainians don't want it. they're against it. the public opinion said, no this is very dangerous. neutrality, it's safer,
22:13
we're inbetween East and West, we don't want this, so they elect Victor Yanukovich, yes, a president that says
22:20
“we'll just be neutral”. And that's
22:25
absolutely the US's, “oh what the hell is this? Ukraine? They don't have any choice
22:32
either.” so Yanukovich becomes the enemy of the neocons, obviously, so they start
22:38
working of course the way that the US does, we got to get rid of this guy uh,
22:44
maybe we'll elect his opponent afterwards, maybe we'll catch him in a crisis, and so forth, and indeed at the
22:52
end of 2013 the US absolutely stokes a crisis that becomes an insurrection and
22:59
then becomes a coup and I know again from firsthand experience the US was
23:05
profoundly implicated in that, but you can see our Senators standing up in the crowd like if Chinese officials came to
23:13
January 6th and said “yes yes go”, you know, can, how would we like it if if
23:18
Chinese leaders came and said “yeah we’re with you 100%.” American Senators
23:25
standing up in Kiev saying to the demonstrators “we're with
23:31
you 100%”. Victoria Nuland famously passing around the cookies but it was
23:36
much much more than the cookies I can tell you and so the US conspired with a
23:43
Ukrainian right to overthrow Yanukovich and there was a violent overthrow in the
23:49
third week of February of 2014 that's when this war started. this war didn't
23:56
even start in 2022. it started in 2014. that was the outbreak of the war, was a
24:02
violent coup that overthrew a Ukrainian president that wanted neutrality. when he
24:08
was violently overthrown and his security people told him you're going to get killed and so he flew to Kharkov and
24:16
then flew onward to Russia, that day the US immediately in a nano second
24:22
recognized the new government. this is a coup. this is how the CIA does its regime change operations.
24:29
so this is when the war starts.
24:34
Putin's understanding, completely correct in this moment, was “I'm not letting NATO
24:41
take my naval fleet and my naval base in Crimea.” are you kidding? The Russian Naval
24:50
Base in the Black Sea, which was the object of the Crimean War and in its way
24:56
is the object of this war, in Sevastopol, has been there since
25:02
1783 and now Putin's saying “oh NATO's going to walk in? hell no.” And so they
25:10
organized this referendum of the, this is a Russian region, and there's an overwhelming support, we'll stay with
25:16
Russia thank you. not with this new post-coup government. An outbreak uh breaks out in the Eastern
25:24
provinces which are the ethnic Russian provinces in the Donbas, in Lugansk and Donetsk and
25:33
there's a lot of violence so the war starts in 2014. so saying something's unprovoked in 2022 is a little bizarre
25:41
for anyone that actually reads a normal newspaper to begin with, but in any event the war starts then and within a year
25:49
the Russians are saying very wisely, we actually don't want this war. we don't want to own
25:57
Ukraine. we don't want problems on our border. we would like peace, based
26:04
on respect for the ethnic Russians in the East and political autonomy because
26:12
the coup Government tried to close down all Russian language, culture, uh and
26:20
uh rights, of these people after having made a violent coup so we don't accept
26:25
that, so what came out of that was two agreements called the Minsk 1 and the Minsk 2 agreements. the Minsk 2 agreement
26:33
was backed by the UN Security Council and it said that we'll make peace based
26:39
on autonomy of the Donbas region. now very interesting the Russians were not
26:46
saying, “that's ours, we want all the things…” that are claimed every day that
26:52
Putin just wants to recreate you know he thinks he's Peter the Great, he wants to recreate the Russian Empire, he wants to
26:57
grab territory, nothing like that. the opposite. “We don't want the territory. we
27:03
actually just want autonomy based on an agreement reached with the Ukrainian
27:09
government.” So what was the US attitude towards that? US Government attitude US Government attitude was to say to the
27:16
Ukrainians, “don't worry about it. come on, don't worry about it, you keep your
27:21
Central State, we don't want to see Ukraine weakened at all, we just want a NATO in a unified Ukraine. don't go for
27:29
decentralization. we tell them to blow off the very treaty that they've signed.
27:34
then we accuse Russia of not having diplomacy by the way, which is you know par for the course “oh you can't trust
27:40
them.” (But) We blow off every single agreement, we blow off not moving one inch eastward,
27:47
we blow off the anti-ballistic missile, treaty uh we uh have so many uh NATO
27:54
Wars of choice in between. I didn't even mention in Syria, the CIA attempt to
28:00
overthrow Assad, uh in Libya and so forth, and we blow off the Minsk agreements and
28:08
actually Angela Merkel explained in a rather shockingly Frank interview that
28:13
she gave last year when asked why Germany didn't help
28:18
to enforce the Minsk agreement, because Germany and France
28:23
were the guarantors of the Minsk agreement under something called the Normandy process,
28:28
she said, “well we just thought this was to give some time to the Ukrainians to
28:35
build up their strength.” in other words they were guarantors of something in a phony way and the US was uh uh
28:43
absolutely lying about this and I know senior ukrainians who were in government
28:50
and who were around the government who said to me Jeff we're not going to do that anyway. that was at gunpoint. we
28:57
don't have to agree with that” so all that diplomacy was blown off. the war
29:03
continued. the US pumped in arms, built up armaments, was building up what would be
29:10
the biggest army of Europe actually, uh a huge Army, uh that Russia was watching
29:16
“what are you doing you know you're not honoring Minsk you're building up this huge
29:21
Ukrainian Army paid for by NATO paid for by the United States basically”, yes and
29:28
uh in 2021 Putin met with Biden and then after
29:34
the meeting he put on the table a draft Russia US security agreement, put it on
29:42
the table on December 15th 2021. it's worth reading, very plausible document. I
29:49
don't agree with some of it. it's it's a negotiable document, something you would
29:54
negotiate. I thought the core of it was “stop. stop the NATO enlargement” and uh I called the White
30:02
House myself at that point and uh uh said “don't have a war over this.” Who
30:10
did you talk to? I talked to Jake Sullivan and I said “don't don't have a war over this, uh we don't need NATO
30:16
enlargement for US Security, in fact it's counter to US security, the US should not
30:22
be right up against the Russian border, that's how we trip ourselves into World
30:27
War three.” “No Jeff, don't worry, no war, there's not going to be a war, don't
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worry, we we've got a diplomatic approach.” I said, “Jake this is a basis for diplomacy.
30:41
Negotiate.” Well the formal response of the United States is that issues about
30:48
NATO are non-negotiable. they're only between NATO
30:53
countries and NATO candidates. no third party has any stake or interest or say
30:59
in this. Russia, it's completely irrelevant. Again to use the analogy, you
31:05
know if Mexico and China want to put Chinese military bases on the Rio Grande,
31:10
the United States has no right to interfere. No interest in it. and no interest in it and no bilateral, and this was
31:17
the formal US response in January
31:23
2022. So, unprovoked? Not exactly. 30 years
31:29
of provocation, where we could not take peace for an answer one moment. All we
31:36
could take is “we'll do whatever we want wherever we want and no one has any say
31:44
in this at all.” So can I just go back
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I guess 22 years, Putin told me and I checked, I think it's true, that he in Clinton's final days asked Clinton if
31:57
Russia could join NATO, which seems almost by definition like a victory; NATO exists as a bulwark
32:02
against Russia; Russia wants to join the alliance; then you've won, right? why would why would the US government
32:09
have turned that offer down? And do you think that offer was real? Russia and actually Europe
32:18
wanted, used to want, before Europe was completely a kind of vassel province of the United States government, wanted
32:26
what they call collective security, which was, we want security Arrangements
32:31
in which one country's security doesn't ruin the security of another country. and
32:37
there were two paths to that, …there basically three paths let's say. One path was what they call the OSCE the
32:44
organization of security and cooperation in Europe. really a good idea. it was it's
32:50
Western Europe, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, and former Soviet Union, and the idea was let's bring us all together
32:56
under one kind of Charter and we'll work out a collective security arrangement. I
33:01
liked it. I mean this is what Gorbachev was saying. We don't want war with you. we don't want conflict with you. we want
33:08
collective security. Second Arrangement that actually makes a lot of sense but
33:13
people say “is this guy out of his mind?” but it actually makes a lot of sense: Gorbachev disbanded the Warsaw
33:21
Pact; we should have disbanded NATO. NATO was there to defend against a
33:27
Soviet invasion; there's not going to be any Soviet invasion. in fact after December 1991 there's not even a Soviet
33:35
Union. we don't need NATO. why is there NATO? NATO was established to defend
33:42
against the Soviet Union so why did it continue after Gorbachev and Yeltsin? The
33:49
neocons, thankfully, thank you, read the document, it's all explicit: “this is our
33:55
way of keeping our hegemony in Europe.” In other words, this is our way of
34:00
keeping our say in Europe, not protecting Europe, not even protecting us. This is
34:06
hegemony. We need our pieces on the board. NATO's our piece on the board. Why would European, why would Germany allow foreign
34:13
troops garrisoned on its soil for 80 years? I don't understand why would European country allow that? Would
34:20
you want foreign troops in town? Tucker, when uh when you had your wonderful
34:27
interview with Putin he answered everything except once
34:33
you asked him what did the Germans see in this? and Putin said “I don't
34:39
get it” and I thought oh my God thank you.
34:45
I don't get it either. Is it just broken by war guilt? is it masochism? I mean honestly, it's not masochism. it's not war
34:51
guilt. there is, there are basic mechanisms uh that I don't understand
34:57
truly after being around more than 40 years in this and knowing all the
35:02
leaders and I know Schultz and I know others. I don't understand it but when the US has a military base in your
35:10
country it really pulls a lot of the political strings in your country. it
35:15
really influences the political parties. it really pays, I know it's, I'm naive, you
35:21
know, in other words, the Germans are not, they're not free actors in this. That's the point. If men with guns showed up in
35:28
your apartment in New York and just camped out there, you probably wouldn't really be the head of your household anymore would
35:33
you? It's probably true, but you know your question uh of uh um why would the
35:40
Germans want this? It's the same question of after the US blew up the Nordstream
35:47
pipeline, why wouldn't the Germans have said, before or after, why did you do that?
35:53
this is our economy you just blew up. but they don't. and so they're so subservient
36:00
to the US interests it's a little hard to understand because it makes no sense for
36:06
Europe but like you said you know there are armed people in your house maybe that's the bottom line. I've spoken to European
36:13
leaders who have said to me I can't quote it because it's so shocking and I
36:19
won't quote it because it was said confidentially but basically “they don't take us seriously
36:26
in Washington” and I said yes. I didn't say it was the bubble over my head
36:32
speaking to a European leader but um maybe if you pushed a little bit you could be you would be taken more
36:38
seriously. Not in this way of just defeat but it was said to me in such a sad way,
36:46
I just felt oh God don't tell me that you're a leader of, in Europe. But we're occupying their country with soldiers
36:52
and guns, how could we take them seriously? They're a, I mean honestly, no I don't know. it's really sad.
36:58
And it's it's doing a lot of damage too. it's it's doing huge damage to Europe.
37:03
it's destroying Ukraine by the way. that's the the first point. it's destroying Ukraine. it's doing a lot of
37:08
damage to Europe. it's uh wasting a hell of a lot of lives and money in the
37:16
United States which the neocons don't count. um and almost nobody stands up and talks
37:24
about it. and your first question about being unprovoked, we even have a story
37:30
about it. it's, the story's complete bull(shit); it's complete nonsense, it's for people
37:36
who don't want, or don't remember, don't want to remember, uh anything before
37:42
February 24th 2022 uh but there's a whole long history to this that's absolutely kind of absurd
37:50
and tragic. I mean it's it's absurd. it's utterly tragic. 500,000 Ukrainians dead
37:57
for nothing. Do you think that's the number? I think that's probably the number yeah that's the best number that
38:03
I know. I mean we talked about this last night at dinner but one of the most shocking things just as someone who
38:08
lived in Washington to me is if you ask any of the Senators for, as
38:14
I have, who voted to keep this war going with US tax dollars, “how many of your beloved Ukrainians have been killed?” they
38:20
have no idea. and they have no interest in knowing. and they don't care at all. and sometimes they say they don't care. uh, some
38:27
said uh you know it's the greatest bargain, no American lives, uh Dick Blumenthal
38:33
said the same thing basically, “this is a great bargain. no American lives.” They don't… Isn't that evil? I mean at some
38:38
point yes it's certainly hypocritical, they're telling us we're doing this for Ukraine for our friends in Ukraine the
38:44
standard bearers of democracy but also don't you have an obligation to kind of care about the people you kill I think?
38:50
So, you think so, uh I think Americans think so. uh I don't think that the
38:56
security apparatus thinks so uh because the security State you know you got to be tough to play that game of Risk uh
39:03
you got to know there are going to be some collateral losses uh some, we, millions of people have died in American wars of
39:09
choice uh but if you're a big boy you can't let that deter you so I think uh
39:15
it's pretty deeply ingrained that a few hundred thousand lives here and there, come on, we're
39:21
talking about who runs the world after all it's really really dark I think. it's extraordinarily dark.
39:28
Just to circle back but also look if the pretext for all of this is some sort of moral authority, we're for democracy;
39:34
they’re for authoritarianism… This has nothing to do with morality. This has nothing to do with morality. It has
39:39
nothing to do with Western values. it has nothing to do with American values. it it doesn't even have to do with American
39:45
interests from what I can see, although it says that. they say that American interests are at stake. well we've spent
39:52
uh maybe 7 trillion dollars on these reckless Perpetual Wars since 2001. Is
39:58
that really, we've added to the debt uh the debt’s gone from uh about 30% of
40:05
national income to more than 100% of national income. we've had these disastrous Wars. is this America's
40:12
interest? no I mean maybe we could have actually rebuilt a bridge or a road along the way.
40:19
No it destroyed our country. Even add a mile of fast rail in our country or something but no we had to spend
40:25
trillions and trillions on Wars so so to my mind it's all completely perverse but
40:32
what I find amazing is that once in a while you have to look but once in a while you'll actually find the truth
40:39
expressed in such a vulgar way, no they don't count the Ukrainian lives they literally say “no American lives”, we're
40:46
not even so sure about that by the way, but, “have died”. yeah it's not not a large number but it's uh, it's some, but they
40:53
don't tell us the truth about that either. So just to circle back to the
40:58
provocation, I watched, as a complete non-expert, um the administration send the vice president to the Munich
41:05
security conference in February of 2022 when it was clear that things were getting really hot and watched Kamala
41:11
Harris say to Zelensky on camera “we want you to join NATO” when everybody even me a talk show host knew that that was the
41:18
red line for Putin so the only conclusion I could reach was they want
41:23
him to move across the border into Ukraine. they want a war. what is your take? Tucker just to say, until this
41:31
moment, every senior official in the US or the the Secretary General of NATO Jens
41:38
Stoltenberg says Ukraine will join NATO, and one thing everyone that's listening
41:45
should understand, Ukraine will never join NATO short of a nuclear war, so,
41:52
because Russia will never allow it. period. so every time we say it all we
41:59
mean is the war continues and more ukrainians are destroyed and we're willing to risk nuclear conflict and
42:06
some people definitely are because they're idiots really, because that, my
42:13
resentment gets very high when we reach that level, but we talk about nuclear
42:20
war these days we hear “we're not going to be blackmailed by this nuclear threat” and so forth, well God damn it, you better
42:27
be worried. we're talking about a counterpart that has 6,000 nuclear
42:32
warheads. we have 6,000 nuclear warheads. we have a lot of crazy people in our
42:38
government. I know it. I'm adult enough to know over 44 years of professional life
42:45
that there are a lot of intemperate people in our country. we have a lot of allies that say oh we can do this we
42:53
have a president of Latvia Tweeting or Xing or whatever the verb is these days,
42:59
“Russia delenda EST”, in other words “Russia must be destroyed”, playing off of the old
43:07
Cato the Elder Carthago delenda est”, “Carthage must be
43:12
destroyed”. Honestly, a president of a Baltic State tweeting that Russia must
43:20
be destroyed, this is prudent? this is safe? this is going to keep your family and my family safe? are we out of our
43:29
minds? and all through this Biden hasn't called Putin one time and I speak to
43:37
very senior Russian officials, you speak to the most senior Russian official, they say, “we want to negotiate. of course we'll
43:45
talk| Zelensky quote unquote made it illegal, and the United State says well
43:52
we won't do anything that the ukrainians don't want. this is insane by the way, as
43:57
if this is really between Ukraine and Russia. this is about the United States and Russia. this, everybody should
44:05
understand, this isn't even about Ukraine and Russia, this is about the US being in
44:11
Ukraine and Russia so the ones that need to talk are Biden and Putin. period. And I
44:17
keep saying if I may say it again just now I keep saying to Biden “if you want to use my zoom account please use it
44:25
I'll lend you my phone you make the call start negotiations I don't like my
44:30
family being at risk of nuclear war.” Why won't they? Because they believed
44:39
up until now - I think they can't quite believe it now - they believed up until
44:45
now, that they would get their way, through bluff or superiority of force or
44:53
superiority of finance, they gambled. Because they were
45:00
gambling with someone else's lives, someone else's country, and someone else's money, our money, the taxpayer
45:05
money, but they were gambling not with their own stakes but they were gambling.
45:11
They're not very clever, they gambled wrong. all along Putin said “no. for us
45:18
this is existential. for you it's a game.” Apparently the game of RISK. You need your piece on that board as if American
45:26
NATO forces in Ukraine is somehow existential for the United States as opposed to a
45:32
neutral Ukraine, and they thought that they would get their way and I spoke with senior officials all along who just
45:40
thought Russia won't object, or can't object, or will be pushed aside, or will
45:48
fall to its knees with US financial sanctions, or will succumb to the US
45:55
HIMARS and ATACMS, just one absolutely naive idea after another.
46:04
but you might ask me how can they have such naive ideas? Well that's, that was my
46:09
question. yes and I, I'm sorry to put words in your mouth, but I would say, well I'm old enough to remember Vietnam, I'm
46:15
old enough to remember trying to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, I'm trying to,
46:21
I'm old enough to remember Libya, I'm old enough to remember Afghanistan. We screw up non stop. this is not clever, what
46:30
we're doing. but the people, What's so interesting, so you've been an academic your whole life, you, I think you were one
46:35
of the youngest tenured professors at Harvard, but you've also been I think uniquely a
46:40
diplomat uh on and off mostly on for you know decades so you know the people who
46:46
are making US foreign policy personally, well, and the quality of the person
46:52
engaged in that seems to have declined just dramatically. I think that's true, by the way. I think it's true in general of American politics. uh maybe
47:00
it's an illusion but when I was a kid uh in college I uh I uh did my summer
47:09
internships in my Senator's office, Senator Phil Hart. he was a man of great
47:14
integrity, of great intelligence. he was a Democrat but he had lots of Republican
47:19
friends and colleagues. there were big people uh there uh and uh they were
47:26
serious people. Fulbright and and and uh
47:32
Frank Church, and really wonderful impressive people. Chuck Percy, uh Luger,
47:39
really impressive people, who wanted the US to do right, to do good, and I admired
47:45
them, and it was on both sides of Republican and and Democrat and you feel
47:51
it's it's not like that right now. it's really not like that right now. and I don't see it um I don't see wise people
47:57
on either side. I hate to say that. I don't think it's a partisan divide. they all seem crazy and dumb to me. you know,
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we've we we chatted uh. Rand Paul's the only one for me that makes sense on
48:08
foreign policy right. now he says stop this. there are so many damn Wars. it's putting us at incredible risk. uh but you
48:16
don't hear the Democrats. they line up 100% for more military spending. continue
48:22
the war. we have people that completely shock me that are saying these stupid
48:27
things about uh no US lives as if Ukrainian lives don't matter. uh nobody
48:35
wants to talk about negotiation. no one says anything honest. no one
48:42
calls. no one even wants the truth out of the White House or the executive branch.
48:49
which is another role of Congress, which is, “don't take us for a ride. we're an
48:55
independent uh separate and equal part of government.” and it used to be that Congress kind of resented when
49:02
the Executive branch lied to it. yes you don't see that resentment. you
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see partisanship: if it's a Republican president, then the Democrats go after him; if it's a Democratic president,
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Republicans. but nobody from one's own party even tells their president, “stop
49:20
bullshitting us.” Yes. And that's very serious. well and these are not small
49:25
lies. so the two biggest lies are that Ukraine can win, whatever that means, never defined, push Russia back to
49:33
its January 2022 border. and two that Ukraine will join NATO. and neither one
49:38
of those things is true. they're not only not true if you are able to watch, you,
49:45
or someone outside the mainstream, it becomes obvious that these aren't true.
49:51
but if you follow uh, Admiral Kirby and the White House. He’s a liar.
49:57
Lying with a smirk on his face which I can't stand cuz he can't even control his smirk cuz he tells us “I'm lying” you
50:05
know as as he's talking. it's unreal uh but if you read the New York
50:11
Times, which is sad and pathetic, uh you won't know. but if you actually listen to
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any independent outlets, which I do because I'm traveling in the world, most
50:23
of the time actually not in the US, you know that these things are
50:28
obvious. someone asked me a couple days ago Ukraine's getting, it's getting blasted on the
50:34
battlefield. now some days are 1500 dead typical 1,000 dead. Russia has, you
50:42
know, air superiority, artillery superiority, missile superiority, uh everything, and the ukrainians are
50:49
getting blasted. and now the US press is
50:54
reporting, oh the Ukrainians are, you know, falling back, and and the tone has
51:00
suddenly changed. So someone asked me a couple days ago, you know, why did this Sudden Change on the battlefield occur?
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And I said, excuse me? He said, yeah, why this sudden change? I said there's no sudden change; this whole trend has been
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obvious for more than two years. we're in a war of attrition and the bigger party
51:19
is blasting the hell out of the — much bigger party. much bigger — but you wouldn't
51:24
know it by any of our narrative. official,
51:30
Congressional or uh, or our kind of mainstream media because they don't tell
51:37
the truth until, I'd say until, but even after it's
51:42
staring you in the face. then maybe they'll say something that's a little bit true. That just feels like North
51:48
Korea to me or what you imagine North Korea is. this news vacuum where everybody is under these huge
51:56
misimpressions, like nobody has any reference point in the truth at all, people don't even know they're being
52:02
lied to. You travel constantly, is this (the US) the most sort of cut off country from an
52:08
information perspective in the world? You know when uh, I'll give an example, when
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uh the US put sanctions on Russia in March
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2022 just after uh the beginning of this latest
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phase of the war that started in 2014, um I know senior US Financial officials
52:33
and they, “oh we've got them. this going to crush them.” I said I don't think so. you know I'm, I was in Latin America last
52:39
week. they're not going to do this. I was in India the week before that. It's not going to go like that. so what
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happened was the only ones that applied the sanctions are Europe the United States and a few allies in East Asia
52:54
Japan Korea Australia New Zealand Singapore. The rest of the world said we're we're not part of that, you know,
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this is, we don't sign up to this. we don't like this. we don't agree with the NATO enlargement. we don't like this
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narrative. and the sanctions proved to be you know pretty uh useless in, compared to,
53:15
what, this grandiosity of uh the US strategists thought. so it comes to this
53:22
question, you know, what does the rest of the world think? The rest of the world doesn't think much of the United States,
53:28
what it's doing. it seems to them as a bizarre country. Why are you pushing NATO
53:34
enlargement? Why are you bringing us into your War? We don't we don't really want
53:39
this. Interestingly most of the rest of the world is not against the United
53:44
States, by the way, they they said just don't make us choose all these things. this isn't our battle. and, we don't even
53:51
like what you're doing. just make peace. calm things down. and we we don't want bad relations, so it's not as if the
53:58
world's antagonistic, but Washington does not get this at all. I I probably speak to more
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world — I don't know, I speak to a lot of world leaders in developing countries all the time. it's my job as a
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development Economist — so I'm talking to world leaders, foreign ministers, heads of state and so on, and I
54:20
know their understanding and position very clearly. I don't know whether the
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White House or Blinken or anyone else in the administration understands even these
54:33
basic points but it was obvious to me, obvious to me, a little bit not not well
54:40
it seem from the outside it seems like blinkin is a driving force I doubt it
54:46
who do you think is uh I think this a big deep project with of the security
54:52
apparatus that goes back 30 years I think the CIA continues to be a driving force uh I I I don't know uh National
55:02
Security councils obviously driving force the pentagon's obviously a driving force uh the armed services committees
55:09
it's not uh one individual but it's a project that is long dated and it
55:15
doesn't turn and we don't have a president that's very flexible of mind to we don't have a president that is you
55:22
know on top of any of this it seems to me not a Nimble president not Nimble not
55:27
effective not necessarily in charge not necessarily making decisions I don't really know but what I do know is that
55:35
it's not improv it's a a Rudder that's stuck I would say in other words they
55:42
can't do something different and each what what is improv is that the last
55:50
thing they tried didn't work so now they need to quickly improvise something else
55:55
as the Rudder is stuck so we continue on the same destructive
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path and it's not working so oh my God we've got to do something else that's
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the Improv part but what is not changing is goals direction right strategy or
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this most basic point which for me is a kind of uh it sound so simple-minded but
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I actually from a lifetime of experience really believe in it we don't talk to
56:29
the other side we we also seem to be um huffing our own gas a bit believing our own
56:34
lies we we believe that we need to lie to because maybe if your rudder's stuck
56:43
and you're the skipper you have to say Full Speed Ahead uh in other words if you can't move the rudder uh you have to
56:51
give some self-justification for why we continue towards dis so for example since you AR Economist um the the econ
56:58
the economic effects of kicking Russia out of Swift etc etc right of these very
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serious sanctions imposed against Russia two and a half years ago big picture it
57:09
seems like that's a country with an Economy based on natural resources and Manufacturing ours is largely an Economy
57:16
based on finance lending money and interest and real estate right which is more durable which is more real that's I
57:22
mean that's my perspective what's your sense well I I I think the basic point on the sanctions is if you have oil if
57:30
you don't sell it to Europe you could sell it to Asia well yeah and it wasn't so hard and they figured that out even I
57:36
know that though they they figured out how to get those tankers in they figured out how to get insurance cover and they
57:42
figured out how to do it and they're making a lot of money and the sanctions didn't have any effect and what they also didn't understand and I think it's
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it's also important uh for people to understand in all of this neocon
57:55
strategizing they had this glimmer of insight and actually big brinsky was was very good
58:02
on it he said by all means the one thing never never to do is to drive Russia and
58:11
China together well exactly and he said very explicitly and he says in
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1997 in his book The Grand chessboard I think it's called he says but this is so
58:23
unlikely you know this would be so crazy to do and this is exactly what these
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thunderheads have done who are the neocons how would you describe them what is a neocon a neocon is a a a group of
What is a Neocon?
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True Believers starting uh uh that really Rose to uh force in the last uh
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years of uh Bush senior uh it was Cheney woloz uh
58:53
Rumsfeld uh but it became abolutely bipartisan Victoria nuland is kind of
58:59
the ultimate her husband um Bob Kagan Robert Kagan is uh kind of the public
59:06
intellectual of the neocons I mean he is he is I know Bob well he's an idiot yeah
59:12
well he's your public intellectual he's he's the guy that writes the the toms that say child I think that this has
59:19
been just about the most disastrous foreign policy imaginable how can you go from uh from peace
59:26
uh in 1991 when you have a chance for creating a a peaceful Cooperative world
59:33
that could actually be prosperous and uh do good things together to this mess
59:38
that we're in it took a strategy so stupid so reckless uh so blind uh and
59:46
that's what the neocons gave us they gave us a strategy which said uh we now run the world and explicitly we will be
59:54
the world's policemen we will fight fight the wars that we need to fight whenever and wherever we need to fight
59:59
them we will make sure that there's never a Ral well you do that long enough
1:00:05
you end up in lots of absolutely destructive stupid Wars and the rest of
1:00:10
the world doesn't just sit back and say oh thank you us we're so grateful you're the leader they say come on we're you
1:00:18
know you're 4.1% of the world population there's another
1:00:23
95.9% of the world population that actually would just like peace and some cooperation and not you to be telling us
1:00:31
what to do so this strategy was explicit clear uh adopted in the last years of uh
1:00:43
basically in 1991 92 uh after the Soviet Union was
1:00:50
dissolved in December 1991 Clinton was
1:00:57
he just not serious consequent uh or experienced
1:01:04
enough uh he wasn't a rigid neocon but um meline Albright was a True Believer
1:01:11
uh and uh Clinton drifted in that direction and that's also partly
1:01:18
something to understand which is when you have the biggest military machine in the world when you are so powerful the
1:01:25
war machine is always revving uh there's always some case for war the neocons
1:01:31
basically said yeah we're we're the policemen we're the constabulary we this
1:01:37
is our duty we and said you have to you have to be in each of these conflicts because you know us reputation also
1:01:44
depends on this so they invited Regional Wars and everywhere and all the time and
1:01:50
believed of course you we could clean out governments we didn't want regime change by War by covert operations and
1:01:57
so on and it became not a little movement it became the
1:02:03
dominant drive so uh Clinton kind of
1:02:09
drifted his administration was divided between meline Albright and Holbrook on
1:02:14
one side and and uh William Perry on the other side but he went with with
1:02:20
Albright uh by the end of Clinton's term was NATO enlarg M bombing of Belgrade
1:02:28
and and we were kind of Off to the Races then came uh Bush Jr 911 uh global war
1:02:37
on terror but basically 911 as the
1:02:42
opportunity to implement the project for The New American Century which is the
1:02:48
document that defines the neocon agenda and it's such an interesting document
1:02:54
because very clear it was very carefully studied and it's also important to
1:02:59
understand the the US is a big ship so it doesn't turn quick so you prepare a
1:03:05
path or it's this stuck Rudder as I said and you can read in building rebuilding
1:03:11
America's defenses which was a kind of campaign document for the incoming Bush
1:03:17
uh junior Administration what we should do and it defines this neocon agenda so
1:03:23
Bush Jr introduced all of these things the unilateral withdrawal from ABM the
1:03:29
the war in Iraq uh the expansion of NATO to seven more countries the uh
1:03:35
commitment to expand NATO to Ukraine and Georgia then comes Obama you you don't
1:03:41
think of him as a a neocon especially but who becomes the point person for
1:03:48
Eastern Europe and uh and and Ukraine Victoria newand so so interesting
1:03:54
Victoria newand was was the deputy National Security adviser of Cheney I remember very well yes so she was
1:04:00
Cheney's adviser then she was a uh she was George W's uh uh ambassador to NATO
1:04:09
during the commitment to enlargement and if Obama weren't uh uh a
1:04:17
neocon you would say well that's not someone I'm going to hire but all of a sudden she lands as Hillary's uh as
1:04:25
Hillary assistant now Hillary's absolutely neocon to the core and there's Victoria
1:04:32
Newland and she goes from being Hillary's assistant becoming a assistant
1:04:37
Secretary of State for European Affairs and becomes the point person in the
1:04:42
overthrow of yanukovich uh at the end of 2013 and early 2014 and Obama uh is he
1:04:52
not you know he's also very inexperienced in for obviously no experience at all in foreign policy but
1:04:57
um he wasn't by Nature a neocon but but the system keeps you moving unless
1:05:05
you're a president that knows how to keep a foot on the brakes uh and we haven't had many presidents like that uh
1:05:11
Eisen Hower was one who knew how to put his foot on the brakes cuz he really
1:05:16
understood this system uh John Kennedy learned it but only after the Bay of Pigs and uh probably was uh was killed
1:05:25
uh by our government for trying to keep his foot on the brakes uh and there have
1:05:31
not been many other occasions when presidents kept their foot on the break so in
1:05:37
2011 Obama does the absolute neocon play
1:05:42
of saying almost out of the blue by the way why don't we overthrow Bashar
1:05:48
al-assad Syria president well that's a little damn
1:05:53
weird but suddenly you start start hearing Assad must go I was on Morning
1:05:59
Joe when uh that statement by Hillary was made and Joe Scarboro looked at me
1:06:06
and said Jeff what do you think and I said well how are they going to do that that sounds like another pretty stupid
1:06:13
idea and it turned out that was 2011 we've had 13 years of war in Syria
1:06:20
hundreds of thousands dead destroyed the country of course destroyed the country and and who presid president Bashar Alat
1:06:27
and interestingly I can tell you uh oh God yeah I can tell you in
1:06:35
2012 uh the US you know there there were
1:06:40
protests there were things that were going on in Syria but but the president said okay we'll send in the CIA to
1:06:47
overthrow uh the government in Syria and if anyone is wondering we do this dozens
1:06:54
of times so don't have any illusion that this is unusual it is the job the terms
1:07:01
of reference of the CIA to overthrow governments in other countries I don't approve I think it leads to war
1:07:09
destruction it hasn't passed the Putin's notice that that's the job of the CIA so
1:07:14
it's another reason he doesn't exactly want the US on his border and so forth
1:07:19
okay so we start uh arming uh the jihadists crazy things in
1:07:29
Syria yeah I can say it I'm just thinking
1:07:34
cuz and the US says Assad must go so a
1:07:39
diplom the UN starts a diplomatic process uh to try to find peace which is
1:07:45
the job of the UN it's not to implement us regime change it's to try to find
1:07:50
peace so the US uh the UN succeeds in getting all of the parties to agree to a
1:07:58
peace agreement except one the US so the
1:08:04
yes so the idea that uh you know you couldn't find peace you couldn't find these all these different factions uh in
1:08:12
Syria there was an agreement reached but there was one obstacle to the agreement
1:08:18
and the obstacle was the US said on the first day of this agreement Assad must
1:08:23
go and uh the response was you know why don't you have it a process there'll be in two
1:08:30
years an election or three years don't overthrow the government the first day
1:08:36
we have all this in place and Obama well I don't know if it's Obama probably
1:08:41
Hillary but whatever said no so that's why there was no agreement but what was
1:08:48
the motive like why would you want to overthrow Bashar Assad very strange uh I I've never heard
1:08:56
an absolute uh intelligent reason for
1:09:01
this believe me their idea is we can do it why not one argument was that the
1:09:10
neocons had a list uh and this is actually what Wesley Clark who was you
1:09:16
know NATO Supreme Commander uh in the end of the 1990s I know Wesley quite
1:09:21
well and he's also spoken about this he said the neocons had a list that they
1:09:27
were going to clear out in the 2000s all of the governments aligned with the
1:09:33
Soviet Union or with Russia now Syria has a naval Russia has a naval base on
1:09:39
the Mediterranean yes and so Assad is therefore an enemy uh or not an enemy
1:09:47
they he doesn't rise to the level of being an enemy someone who peace you can take off the board and put in your own
1:09:53
peace that's all so the idea is incredible arrogance they don't think
1:10:00
honest to God I don't know whoever gave that order knew nothing about Syria that
1:10:06
I can guarantee you but the downstream effects of that were were horrifying well unbelievable because created Isis
1:10:13
so yeah but we probably created Isis pretty directly because we funded jihadists all along the way that's our
1:10:20
story since 1979 actually yes uh so this goes back along long time um they don't
1:10:28
they're not clever they're not honest they're not transparent they are
1:10:35
arrogant to the hilt and they don't talk to anybody else including to us the American people including to Congress
1:10:42
including to counterparts in other countries and it gets you into trouble
1:10:49
when you're so flippant and flagrant because remember what was happening in
1:10:54
Syria they did exactly the same thing in Libya uh and you look at Libya they
1:11:01
decided to take out Gaddafi why no one really knows he was cooperating with us
1:11:07
at that point no one knows because uh some people say sarosi uh KN that that uh that Gaddafi
1:11:15
had contributed to sari's campaign that it was a personal Vendetta there are 100
1:11:21
theories the fact that there are 100 theories shows that the whole thing was
1:11:26
to use a technical diplomatic term you cannot even know right now why
1:11:32
what you know is that they misused a un Security Council resolution to protect the people of Benghazi to launch a
1:11:41
monthong NATO aerial bombardment of Libya until they brought down the
1:11:46
government Unleashed war in in Africa for the next uh 13 years until today
1:11:54
which is still roiling all of the countries of the region they do these
1:12:00
things because they can because it doesn't count maybe another theory which
1:12:05
is uh even a maybe true what difference
1:12:11
it's money it's a business we're running a business we're trying weapons we're doing this maybe it's all a success from
1:12:18
somebody's point of view that you have all these wars going with this big military machine I don't know that's
1:12:23
that is a theory which is is not completely dismissible because what you can't do Tucker is look and say my God
1:12:31
we had a geopolitical reason to do this this was really part of American Security we really needed to overthrow
1:12:38
Assad we really needed to take out Gaddafi because if we didn't do that something else would happen you cannot
1:12:45
even concoct a crazy narrative exp poost that
1:12:50
explains that so these are not deeply explicable facts but the pattern is is
1:12:56
very is recognizable immediately here you have a country with unchallenged for a moment unchallenged
1:13:02
power starting Wars for not any obvious reason all over the world when was the
1:13:08
last time an empire did that you know the British that was the last time I think
1:13:15
we learned everything from the British they were non-stop Wars skirmishes you
1:13:20
know when you're an Empire and and if anyone still plays risk I I don't know I played it 60 years ago I have to admit
1:13:28
so I'm I'm not sure if people still play the game but risk you're trying to get your peace on every part of the board
1:13:35
when you have your peace someplace on the board if the neighboring spots are not yours you better have wars with them
1:13:43
or they're going to take you out and so every place becomes an object for war
1:13:49
because it becomes next door to wherever you have your bases your concern and so
1:13:55
on so we have military bases in I would
1:14:00
say 80 countries probably uh something like that of course the count is not
1:14:06
public so people put together their own list we have about 750 military bases
1:14:11
around the world each of those places has a neighborhood uh each of those places has the next door which oh well
1:14:19
they're not we don't have a base there we better have a base there uh and so that's the logic which is is if you're
1:14:25
at the outer end of this well you better continue because otherwise your outer
1:14:31
limit is what we don't learn actually and it's another analogy which I found
1:14:38
to be useful the Romans by around 110
1:14:43
ad uh with hadrien said and and trun okay we've
1:14:50
reached a good limit yeah and they stopped trying trying to expand y they
1:14:56
built they built a wall they left it there exactly and they said they had a
1:15:02
there was a war that I find analogous to Ukraine uh they had a war in Germania
1:15:11
so-called east of the rine uh in what is now Germany uh in 9 ad uh which was a
1:15:19
war of expansion by Augustus to tame the German tribes and they lost that War the
1:15:26
war of the totenberg forest and they lost that war in 9 ad they basically decided after that not
1:15:34
entirely they didn't say well this is the end of the Roman Empire they said
1:15:40
okay we'll just leave Germania yeah there limits to our power right there there limits and that's fine why don't
1:15:47
we behave like that we're not threatened by Russia we are not threatened by
1:15:54
Russia and Ukraine being neutral is not a threat to US security it's builds US
1:16:02
security period That's what I said to Jake svin it's not even a concession
1:16:07
Jake it's a benefit for us leave some space between you and them that's what
1:16:14
we want some space so we don't have an accidental trip
1:16:20
wire that's the real logic of this world give a little space
1:16:25
yes we don't have to be everywhere we're not playing risk we're trying to run our
1:16:30
lives we're trying to keep our children safe we're not trying to own every part
1:16:36
of the world so speaking of increasing our risk I I think the unstated but very
1:16:41
clear objective of all of this is to kill Putin and and replace him and break up Russia that that's my read on it if
1:16:48
you read even this project for a New American Century rebuilding America's
1:16:54
defense es it says maybe Russia will be
1:17:00
decentralized into a European Russia Central Asian Russia Siberian Russia
1:17:07
they call it and a and a Far East Russia uh this is essentially what you're saying they they talk there's even some
1:17:15
Commissions in Washington decolonizing Russia they their hope the cia's hope if
1:17:22
they would ever tell us the truth about anything uh was uh but they they don't get any of this
1:17:29
right but their their thought probably in this deep long-term Vision was after
1:17:35
the Soviet Union fell so too will Russia disintegrate it will disintegrate along
1:17:41
its ethnic lines it will disintegrate along its Geographic lines why is that a
1:17:47
US project it's a US project only because from my point of view the US
1:17:54
resent that there is a country of 11 time zones and it's so big that it is on its face a
1:18:03
denial of us Global hegemony uh in other words U how obnoxious of them to be
1:18:09
there uh but but the problem is they don't see it that way but but just if
1:18:15
you're looking at this purely through the lens of like what's good for us us interests which I I do think is their
1:18:20
job actually but um chaos across 11 time zones and innumerable ethnic groups and
1:18:28
religious divisions with 6,000 nuclear warheads that's really a threat to the
1:18:34
world I couldn't agree more is it not am I missing something no you're not missing anything uh and and the fact of
1:18:41
the matter is you know I was an advisor to gorbachov in
1:18:47
19991 I got to watch closeup I was an advisor to president yelson in 199
1:18:56
1992 I actually it's literally true as weird as this sounds I
1:19:04
well maybe not to you you're about the one person for whom it's not weird I sat in the
1:19:09
Kremlin uh sitting across from yelton the day the Soviet Union ended uh
1:19:18
in in a in a really and and not even quite that day literally it was even more remarkable and are than that I was
1:19:26
leading a little economics delegation to talk about the collapse of the economy
1:19:33
that was underway and yelson came from the back of the room in one of these giant Kremlin rooms yes and walked
1:19:40
across the long room and sat down right in front of me and said
1:19:46
gentlemen I want to tell you the Soviet Union is over that's incredible like
1:19:53
that and then he point Ed to the back door he said do you know who is in that
1:19:58
room over there it's the leaders of the Soviet military and they have just
1:20:05
agreed to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and that was the first words I
1:20:10
heard out of his mouth sitting directly across from me so what a moment yeah
1:20:17
that was of course the most unbelievable moment I've had and you're sitting in
1:20:23
the Kremlin and you hear that suddenly and um and then he went on to say he
1:20:30
spoke very beautifully for a few minutes what does Russia want and he must have
1:20:36
used the word normal 10 times in that short speech we want to be a normal
1:20:43
country we're done with the communism we we want to be normal we want to be
1:20:49
friendly we want to be part of Europe we want to be part of the world economy we want to be be normal Mr ax can you help
1:20:57
us be normal and I said Mr President um the
1:21:03
world will be so grateful for this opportunity for peace that I am
1:21:10
absolutely sure that the United States and the rest of the world is going to
1:21:15
come to your assistance and I said this most remarkably wrong fact because I
1:21:24
believe it I knew that that was America's interest I believed we would follow our
1:21:31
interest and I had had a very unusual experience uh wonderful experience two
1:21:38
years earlier when I served as Poland's main outside economic advisor helping
1:21:46
them to develop the plan for becoming a market economy in part of Europe and in
1:21:52
those days I helped Poland raise many billions of dollars of emergency support
1:21:58
to stabilize a very shaky unstable economy and in those days in
1:22:05
1989 every everything I recommended was adopted by the United States government
1:22:12
almost immediately I thought hey I'm pretty good I I once went in one morning
1:22:19
to Senator Dole and I said Poland needs a billion dollars to stabilize its
1:22:25
currency and he said Mr Sax come back in an hour and I came back in an hour and
1:22:31
there was Brent scof uh and our national security advisor and Senator said you
1:22:39
know who this is Mr Sax I said General it's an honor to meet you and skof said
1:22:45
uh what is it what's your idea and I I handed him my one page about a billion dollars and he looked and he said uh
1:22:53
will this work Mr ax and I said I think this is the right way to stabilize the currency he said well we'll get back to
1:23:00
you uh and uh at 5:00 p.m uh as Dole asked me uh I called Dole and uh he said
1:23:10
tell your friends they have their billion dollars uh within n within eight
1:23:15
hours basically okay so I said to yelson this will be great you know
1:23:22
you're going to get all the support we're going to go mobilize a financial package for you we're going to help you
1:23:28
stabilize the ruble we're going to get a stabilization fund for the ruble we're going to get this and that and of course
1:23:34
every single thing I recommended that had worked in Poland they rejected in
1:23:39
Washington and I just for the life of me what the hell is going on here
1:23:45
stabilization fund it worked this walty was stable the Polish currency
1:23:50
stabilized no Mr saaks I'm afraid we don't support that and one after another knocked down so I
1:24:00
did not understand the geopolitics yeah that I was in at all I didn't get it I
1:24:05
said are you kidding they want normal they want peace this is our greatest moment this is the greatest moment of
1:24:11
the second half of the 20th century the scourge of nuclear war has been lifted
1:24:16
the Cold War is Over do something no so so that's that's it what do you
1:24:24
make of Putin he's very smart uh he has
1:24:30
uh LED Russia very effectively um and uh because he emerged
1:24:37
from the KGB he understands the us the way the US operates because we
1:24:43
became a Security State we became a state where the CIA has absolutely
1:24:50
extraordinary influence and Putin gets that and so he really understands how we
1:24:57
operate he doesn't like it but he understands it and his background uh
1:25:03
especially because his background comes from the KGB his counterpart was the CIA he does
1:25:10
not have Illusions about the United States uh and um I wish I wish we were
1:25:16
proving him wrong but we're not how influential is the CIA in the
1:25:21
operations of the US government definitely in many many places it is the
Regime Change Never Works
1:25:29
instrument of regime change and the US is the only country in the world that
1:25:36
relies on regime change as I would say the lead diplomatic let me put it a different way
1:25:44
not diplomatic as as the lead foreign policy instrument in other words most
1:25:49
countries virtually any small country any middle power country when it doesn't
1:25:55
like another country it either has to deal with it or it comes begging to the
1:26:01
United States to take out that country uh and we are the country that uh makes
1:26:08
a living by overthrowing other governments and that's not a good
1:26:14
vocation for us it almost always ends in disaster in Bloodshed in continued
1:26:22
instability but that's the job of the C that became it's half the job of the CIA CIA is also
1:26:29
an intelligence agency it collects information and makes analysis and it gives uh uh intelligence findings and I
1:26:38
have no problem with that role at all although I don't want them to spy on us but I think that making intelligence
1:26:45
findings for the US government is uh is necessary um but being a private army or
1:26:54
or uh a uh a hidden force that overthrows governments that Stokes
1:27:00
unrest uh that puts people in power um that runs uh covert operations I'm
1:27:09
against it so if a big part of the cia's job is taking down leaders of foreign
1:27:17
countries how long before it does that here in the United States I mean it doesn't doesn't seem unlikely that like
1:27:24
why wouldn't they do that here yeah probably 61 years ago was their first run at this uh with the President
1:27:31
Kennedy from I think it's a best guess not sure but best guess that this was at least
1:27:39
uh maybe Rogue CIA or maybe official CIA
1:27:45
or maybe compartmentalized CIA operation uh it was clearly someone's operation
1:27:51
not Lee Harvey Oswald's from know uh and all of the evidence points in that uh
1:27:58
that direction it used to be said why is the United States the only country in the world that's never had a coup uh and
1:28:05
the answer was well we're the only country that doesn't have a US Embassy uh well of course we've had a coup I
1:28:12
mean Mur murdering the president is aoup but we probably had a coup in broad daylight on November 22nd 1963 and uh we
1:28:20
never quite got over it uh and um we never looked into into
1:28:25
it on on the contrary we covered it up from the beginning and Drip by drip
1:28:31
evidence comes including the most recent evidence that that magic bullet which was one of the justifications of the
1:28:39
Absurd account of a lone gunman uh was also debunked by the uh I think now
1:28:46
88-year-old Secret Service uh agent who said I actually put that bullet from the
1:28:52
back of uh Kennedy seat in limousine on the stretcher at Parkland Hospital uh so
1:28:58
there's so many things wrong with the official I mean it's Preposterous almost
1:29:04
nobody believes it uh and or should believe it but it's also interesting for all that we're discussing uh most likely
1:29:12
it was a it was a government coup in broad daylight with the tremendous amount of evidence that it was a
1:29:20
conspiracy at a high level uh and yet it it for the the last 61 years without any uh
1:29:30
official practical note of that fact do you think that was the last time the CIA tried to influence domestic politics in
1:29:37
this country well I'm sure the U the CIA influences influences domestic politics
1:29:42
all the time in this country because we know about extensive surveillance operations the this was but it's
1:29:49
interesting you know next year will be the 50th anniversary of the church Comm committee hearings and Frank church was
1:29:56
a very unusual figure from Idaho uh a pretty staunch Republican state and he
1:30:04
was a a young gifted Patriot uh whose
1:30:10
favorite Senator was Bora a Conservative Republican senator and he was just an
1:30:17
upright very decent person who uh saw more and more
1:30:25
my God it's the things we're talking about something's not right people people are getting assassinated in other
1:30:31
countries our government uh it doesn't look uh clean and um one thing after
1:30:38
another in a series of uh events led him to
1:30:44
chair the only time a senate investigative investigative committee
1:30:50
actually looked deeply into CIA operations that was
1:30:57
1975 fascinating uh you know what made it possible was just a Confluence of
1:31:03
events uh Nixon had resigned Ford was an unelected president who came from
1:31:10
Congress who didn't want to take on Congress so he didn't resist uh Church's
1:31:16
uh uh investigation even though his chief of staff Dick Cheney was telling
1:31:22
him go after thisy guy we got to crush this investigation but uh but um Ford
1:31:29
said no no no we can't in anyway Supreme Court and I don't want to get into another huge fight uh Hoover had died uh
1:31:37
um jgar Hoover had died in 1972 I believe so the FBI couldn't resist the
1:31:43
same way uh uh Bill Colby had become CIA director and he didn't want to inherit
1:31:49
all the from the past CIA so there came this one moment when all these
1:31:55
pieces enabled actually someone to look into what this organization was doing
1:32:02
and the first thing they discovered was no one had ever looked into any of it before nothing second they discovered
1:32:09
this is an army of the president of the United States yes this a private Army
1:32:15
and they debated is it a rogue Army does it do it on its own or is it an army of the president but it's an army and it's
1:32:22
an army completely outside of our our oversight and control then the third thing they found is they're
1:32:28
assassinating lots of people they're assassinating Americans by the way through these unbelievably crazy LSD
1:32:35
experiments uh but they you know basically uh they weren't the ones to
1:32:40
put the bullet through the head of Patrice lumba in the Congo but they they tried and they were they supported the
1:32:47
overthrow of lumba and of course they were trying to kill Castro and many
1:32:53
other things so they found unbelievable things now that was 1975 since then we're 49 years there's
1:33:01
never been another church Committee of its kind it's unbelievable how many
1:33:07
things have happened since then the list believe me is very very long I've seen
1:33:13
some of it so directly I can't it it's just shocking to me but just an insight
1:33:20
into how our country Works which you know very well but to me I find it so
1:33:27
weird I was asked to help um uh ared in
1:33:33
Haiti yes okay Haiti's oh so poor so unstable so desperate and uh aist uh
1:33:41
asked me for economic help that's what I do uh that's that's my expertise so I uh
1:33:48
flew down to Port of Prince and I had a very good meeting with him and at the end of the meeting he said uh Mr sacks
1:33:54
they're going to take me out they're going to take me out and what do you mean they're they're going to overthrow
1:34:01
me okay sorry to be so naive as I am I said no we're going to make this work
1:34:07
you know this is uh we're going to make this work no no no they're going to take me out I said no no I'm going back to
1:34:12
Washington we're going to help with the interamerican development bank and World Bank and IMF and oh I'm so naive so of
1:34:22
course then and they decide to take him out uh and
1:34:27
the way they do it is destabilize the country so the first thing is close down
1:34:32
the IMF close down the World Bank close down the interamerican Development Bank squeeze squeeze squeeze the next thing
1:34:38
is you send in some mercenaries who are going to create trouble come over the border from Dominican Republic the last
1:34:45
thing was rather remarkable which was the US ambassador showed up at his door literally one day and said Mr President
1:34:53
you have to flee we have a plane waiting for you otherwise your life is in danger
1:34:58
and they led him to a plane with an unmarked tail and 23 hours later he was
1:35:03
in Central African Republic so this is what's called a coup a coup in broad
1:35:09
daylight Central African Republic absolutely I thought he went to Joe Berg I don't know why no no no he went
1:35:15
afterwards but the first The Landing was Central African Republic if I remember correctly
1:35:20
so I what do I do what can I do well I
1:35:25
call I called up the New York Times Reporter on the beat and I said there's been a coup on broad daylight I don't
1:35:33
you know you got to cover this the reporter told me my editor is not
1:35:40
interested all coup in our hemisphere all the News That's fit to print so I I
1:35:47
have wanted it's amazing so I I wanted to ask you about that I mean you said there had been no correctly there have
1:35:52
been no real oversight hearings into the Intel agencies in 50 years yes but you
1:35:57
know the congressional committees are only one part of the oversight the Constitution prescribes and the other
1:36:02
part of course is the media right supposed to provide oversight uh oversight of government and I one of the
1:36:11
moment I really wanted to speak to you was the day that I saw the clip of you on Bloomberg News I think you were one
1:36:16
of my favorite moments and you just describe and it was within hours of this
1:36:21
massive natural gas pipeline Nord uh disintegrating can you describe what happened yeah so uh you know the US blew
Who Blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline?
1:36:30
up nordstream as it promised to on probably dozens of occasions but the
1:36:36
most recent of those occasions was uh President Biden uh said I think it's
1:36:45
February 7 2022 I may have the date a little bit off but he said in a
1:36:51
statement to the Press if the Russians invade Ukraine nordstream is finished uh
1:36:57
and uh the reporter who asked him the question I think from Germany but an international said well Mr President um
1:37:06
how how can you say that how could you do that and uh he looks and he says very Gravely believe me we have our ways okay
1:37:14
so this is uh and then you can go back and find a thousand Clips of Victoria newand and Cruz and everyone saying this
1:37:22
must stop this must stop we'll never let it happen it will be destroyed it will be ended okay so then it's blown up okay
1:37:31
and you and and then the America you know well before we get to that I was on
1:37:38
Bloomberg uh soon afterwards I don't remember whether it was the next day or the day after and I said uh you know I
1:37:45
think the US did this uh Mr Sachs how can you how can you say that uh and I
1:37:52
said well for the president said he was it was going to be over and then there's
1:37:58
actually you know some readings of uh planes in the vicinity and so forth and and and uh there was the Tweet by the
1:38:07
former and now current foreign minister of Poland thank you USA with a picture
1:38:14
of uh of of the uh the water bubbling over the blown up pipeline rodic sakori
1:38:23
his tweet and there was and apple bomb's husband there there was a bit of evidence that well yes the United States
1:38:30
had done this thank you very much they said they would and they did it um I was
1:38:35
yanked off the air within 30 seconds I could watch I could imagine cuz he was
1:38:43
listening to Something in the earplug which I could only imagine get that son of a off the air and they just dis
1:38:49
interview is over you know and he stopped uh and then uh the another anchor bered me for a few minutes uh few
1:38:57
minutes after that and um okay that was the last time I had a word on mainstream
1:39:04
media I have to tell you seriously yeah yeah uh but you've been um famous I
1:39:10
because I live in this country I know you've been famous for decades yeah I was on everything
1:39:17
MSNBC yeah a lot constantly but it's so interesting that your sin was saying
1:39:22
something true right that the media really should be on I mean this is the largest Act of industrial sabotage in my
1:39:29
lifetime it's the largest it's a big deal carbon emission yeah ever you know it's a look it's it's a big deal it's an
1:39:37
AC of War uh it helps to understand what this Ukraine war is all about it helps
1:39:42
us to understand that this is a war between the United States and Russia fought on on many means it's important
1:39:49
to understand it uh it also uh has a deeper economic significance because
1:39:56
it's part of a longstanding uh us idea of not letting
1:40:01
Germany and Russia ever get too close together economically so there's a lot to that
1:40:07
story and should be covering that look if you can kill a president in broad
1:40:13
daylight uh and get away with it for 61 years if you can uh walk a president of
1:40:20
a neighboring country out to an unmarked plane uh and not have it covered uh if
1:40:25
you can have a quote unprovoked war that you provoked over a 30-year period you can do lots of things and um this is
1:40:33
just one of the things that you could do and I discovered that uh some of our
1:40:42
press like the New York Times which opined after the blow up that looks like
1:40:50
Russia did that you know to their own to their own infrastructure they're reporters so
1:40:56
they're top reporters know better they tell me yeah Jeff of course of course
1:41:01
but they don't cover it because we're living in an environment where the people in
1:41:09
power think it's a game and they think that it it's not their job to tell us
1:41:15
they're they're playing risk with our lives they're playing risk with Ukrainian lives they don't have to tell
1:41:22
us the truth truth we don't have to have any serious discussion we don't have to
1:41:29
call anyone for a real hearing or even much less a congressional
1:41:36
investigation we're not living in that kind of world we're living in a world where it's
1:41:42
almost daily that the government says what it wants Kirby at the White House says it
1:41:52
with that damn smart MK of his uh and uh pretty much everyone knows it's lies
1:41:59
but why haven't it's just interesting because you're from a very specific class you know yeah well-known academic
1:42:07
Economist Diplomat frequent TV guest and you know there are a bunch of other
1:42:12
people in that world but you were pretty much the only person to say no that's a lie and I'm not going along with it why
1:42:19
why you why didn't you do what all of your peers did I do it because it it came uh as part of
1:42:28
my life course working mostly internationally talking with the leaders
1:42:35
abroad I care about my credibility a lot which is you know I'm not always right
1:42:40
but I try to always be right yes uh and I have a lot of discussions every day
1:42:46
with foreign ministers or with senior diplomats or with heads of state and for
1:42:52
me I I don't hold an office I I don't do anything other than try to have
1:42:58
reasonable ideas and speak as truthfully as possible so it's kind of a a career
1:43:04
approach which is I'm trying to be accurate right but there should be a lot of people like you in your world
1:43:11
yeah I know for me I'm not interested I and I would not
1:43:17
take a job in the US government for example I couldn't anyway you know with all the things I've said I can imagine
1:43:23
the Congressional hearings it would be did you say that about the US government did you say that about the US government
1:43:28
but in any event I'm not looking for a job uh I'm not looking for a usaid grant
1:43:33
I'm not looking for a US government grant so in that sense also I'm not um
1:43:39
I'm not part I'm not exactly I hope
1:43:45
trapped in in that way I'm just trying to be accurate and what I'm really
1:43:52
really trying is to help the United States government
1:43:58
understand they're operating on dangerous dangerous trajectories and
1:44:04
with a lot of delusions and it's very risky for everybody and I also have a
1:44:11
big measure of resentment I don't like the risks that were being put under Tucker yes I I agree with that I don't
1:44:17
like it you got children this is not a game I got grandchildren and I really care about this and I don't like the
1:44:24
games and I want people to tell the truth and we if we told the truth we
1:44:30
could actually stop the wars today I don't mean that sounds crazy it's not
1:44:36
crazy if we told the truth about Ukraine if Biden called Putin and said that NATO
1:44:43
enlargement we've been trying for 30 years it's off we get it you're right
1:44:48
it's not going to your border Ukraine should be neutral that war would stop today oh there'd be lots of pieces to
1:44:56
figure out where exactly will the borders be how will it go I don't I don't say that there won't be issues but
1:45:03
the fighting would stop today if the government of Israel either were told or
1:45:11
said there will be a state of Palestine and we will live peacefully side by side
1:45:17
the fighting would stop today these are basic facts basic
1:45:25
matters of truth that if we actually spoke them if we actually treated each
1:45:31
other like grown-ups we would resolve what seem to be
1:45:37
these you know insurmountable uh insurmountable crises
1:45:42
they're not at all insurmountable they just require a measure of truth how have you been treated by your peers for
1:45:49
saying things like I hear what you just said and I think it's it's disputable it's also very honorable um you seem to
1:45:56
be acting out of the best motives traditional American motives I would say yeah I I like so I admire you for saying
1:46:02
that how have your peers responded to you they think I'm a little crazy I
1:46:07
think what what would be crazy about what you just said well you know uh when I said uh that this war has a reason
1:46:17
that it's not that Putin's evil that uh we provoke this and that it could
1:46:23
stop uh I got most of my
1:46:28
remaining interlocutors saying Jeff what is the matter with you you're Putin
1:46:34
apologist you know how dare you when I say this about Israel I lose another
1:46:39
another group but because there are things you're supposed to say here you're because this idea of us hegemony
1:46:49
this idea of us dominance it's pretty deep in uh American Academia
1:46:56
also I mean I don't it's not a shock to tell you but all of these uh um uh
1:47:03
special uh organiz the think tanks or university uh um special uh departments
1:47:11
or uh or research units they're funded by the US government they're funded by
1:47:17
the security state they're funded by large donors that are all part of this story so it's not
1:47:25
absolutely simple to get out of that I think Mark Twain I think he was the one
1:47:32
that said it it may have been manin but I think it's attributed to Twain that that said uh it's impossible to convince
1:47:39
a man of something when his job depends on On Believing the other uh and I think
1:47:46
that's true of a lot of people which is I I can't really say that I don't know if it's true but anyway why are you
1:47:52
sticking your head out so much I I got to ask you about first of
1:47:58
all thank you I think that was that's the crispest and I think most honest
1:48:03
description I've ever heard of the leadup to what's happening in Ukraine right now so thank you for that um so
1:48:09
given the credibility that you've just gained by that explanation where do you think Co came from Co
1:48:16
um the question is which lab and in which way uh it almost surely did not
1:48:22
come out of nature uh it almost surely came out of uh a
1:48:28
deliberate research project that had a core idea which was to take a natural
1:48:36
virus and make it more infectious and uh we have one major blueprint of that
1:48:44
which is a uh research proposal called diffuse uh which was submitted to the
1:48:50
Department of Defense uh to the unit called DARPA in
1:48:56
2018 and it is a kind of cookbook for how to make the virus that causes
1:49:02
covid-19 and the virus is called SARS Cove 2 and what's distinctive about SARS
1:49:08
Cove to is that it has uh something called a proteolytic cleavage site uh
1:49:16
and specifically something called a furin cleavage site and it's just some pieces of The genome that make this
1:49:25
thing damn infectious and what's interesting about it is that for this
1:49:30
class of bat viruses which are called beta Corona viruses which is what SARS
1:49:38
comes from and what covid-19 comes from for that class of viruses and there are several hundred known none of them in
1:49:46
nature ever had that particular piece of the genome called none none other than
1:49:53
SARS Cove 2 and that piece of the genome
1:49:59
the fur and cleavage site was an object of research attention from 2005 because
1:50:08
it was understood that if a virus were to have that it would make the entry of
1:50:14
the virus into human cells easier and would make the virus therefore infectious for humans SARS one which is
1:50:23
the first outbreak of a virus like this in 2003 in Hong Kong was most likely a
1:50:32
natural virus that came from a farm animal and it was not so infectious it
1:50:39
it killed some thousands of people but with SARS one you got very very sick for
1:50:46
weeks before you were infectious to someone else and that meant that it was
1:50:51
not so hard to stop stop by isolating people who had the symptoms with SARS
1:50:57
Cove 2 you are infectious even without any symptoms sometimes you're completely
1:51:04
asymptomatic so what's the difference of SARS one and SARS Cove 2 the fur and
1:51:11
cleavage site and in 2005 already so almost 20 years ago that experiment was
1:51:19
done that said oh take SARS one add in a few in cleavage site this thing becomes
1:51:24
really infectious and there are series of experiments 2005 2009 2001 that are
1:51:31
called gain of function experiments where you deliberately manipulate the
1:51:36
virus to make it more infectious by 2015 we had a full-blown research
1:51:44
program funded by ni by Tony Fouch unit on beta Corona
1:51:51
viruses all ready with the lead scientists
1:51:56
uh focusing on this fur and cleavage site it's starting to get ah so they're
1:52:02
starting to do more and more targeted experiments may I ask why why would you
1:52:08
want to take a virus like that and make it more infectious there the overarching answer
1:52:15
is called biod defense and the and then the real
1:52:21
question which I don't know the answer to Is that biowarfare or is that true defense NIH
1:52:29
starting in 2001 became the defense Department's Research Unit so remember the anthrax
1:52:38
attack that came after 91 yes after that I'm sorry to ask you question do we know
1:52:43
or are you satisfied you know what that was that probably came out of AMD it was
1:52:49
probably a us uh you know some us science to either for sure Pro provoking
1:52:55
or doing some crazy things or disgruntled or boosting up the dod
1:53:01
budget I don't know I don't know the answer to that I know that after that
1:53:06
DOD put its budget through Tony fouche's unit which suddenly became the largest unit of NIH and fouchi became the head
1:53:14
of what is politely called biod defense but one only suspects that it is we're
1:53:22
not supposed to do biowarfare it used to be called germ warfare right right and I don't know and they say well it's it's
1:53:29
for vaccines against biowarfare it's to defend against it it's to defend against Natural outbreaks but what it is is a
1:53:38
tremendously dangerous research program that involves a lot of manipulation of
1:53:44
very dangerous pathogens and by 2015 the ability of scientists to
1:53:50
manipulate these viruses was reaching astounding proportions and
1:53:55
we've got a Real Genius who was part of this group named Ralph barck at University of North Carolina who is a
1:54:04
genius and what he could do was if you gave him uh 30,000 letters of the DNA
1:54:13
code AG CC GA a and so forth and I mean
1:54:18
give him the letters he'll turn that into a live virus I think that's pretty damn remarkable in
1:54:25
other words you give him the designer virus he'll give you the live virus uh and he created what's called a reverse
1:54:33
genetic system to make these viruses and to put in pieces into the viruses uh
1:54:40
with a technique which he also called no seeum uh meaning you suture in a part
1:54:47
but you do it in a way that you can't identify that it was put in in the last
1:54:52
so it's without the fingerprints as it were and it's clear that this area of
1:54:59
research picked up a tremendous amount of steam because a lot of American
1:55:04
scientists were shouting this is so damn dangerous stop it and fouchy was saying
1:55:11
No this is important this is really crucial we're going to continue to do this there was a brief
1:55:17
moratorium uh during at the end of the Obama period and then the moratorium was
1:55:23
lifted during the Trump Administration and even during the moratorium period we
1:55:28
know that the research continued on many grants it's clear when you look closely
1:55:35
at this that they were getting closer and closer to this insertion of the fur
1:55:42
and cleavage site into SARS like viruses
1:55:47
now in 2018 came this proposal as always this was a highly classified proposal we
1:55:55
only learned about it after the fact by a whistleblower we never even would have
1:56:01
learned about it even in all of the commotion of the pandemic but for a whistleblower a brave
1:56:09
whistleblower in the Department of Defense who said the public needs to see this and when you look at the diffuse
1:56:16
proposal really you say holy because on page 10
1:56:23
it says we have collected more than 180 previously unreported beta Corona
1:56:31
viruses and on page 11 it says we're going to test them for whether they have
1:56:37
a proteolytic cleavage site which is a fur and cleavage site and if they don't we're going to insert a fur and cleavage
1:56:44
site into them it's the goddamn cookbook for how to make this virus
1:56:52
so here comes the the defense department turned it down supposedly I mean
1:57:00
probably did and then comes the question well so what happened well the people
1:57:07
that wrote that little cookbook said not us we didn't do anything like that no it
1:57:13
got turned down nothing to look at here and um there are all I know because
1:57:22
people have told me oh Jeff it's not just that it got turned down they had done the work even before they submitted
1:57:29
the grant proposal that's not uncommon in science which is you do a lot of the work beforehand so I've heard that on
1:57:37
good authority I can't verify it personally um and there are so many
1:57:45
strands now that say yeah something really screwy was going on for example
1:57:51
there's a very weird paper weird to me by uh baric and the head of what's
1:58:00
called Rocky Mountain laboratory which is a NIH laboratory under fouche's
1:58:06
Authority that reports this completely bizarre uh finding and the finding is
1:58:15
sounds very technical but it says the Wuhan Institute of virology type one
1:58:21
virus does not infect Egyptian fruit bats okay that's the the title so you
1:58:27
say so what the hell is that what that is is that obviously in
1:58:33
2019 and 2018 they were doing experiments using viruses from
1:58:39
Wuhan in the Rocky Mountain Labs with their collection of bats okay so one
1:58:47
Theory and the bats in uh Rocky Mount Labs is is called an Egyptian fruit bat
1:58:54
it's not the kind of bat that carries this virus in China which is in Yan which is a different kind of bat but
1:59:01
they tried it in Rocky Mountain Lab I scratched my head and said what the hell
1:59:09
we have Rocky Mount lab doing experiments with Wuhan viruses in Montana in NIH Labs with Ralph baric who
1:59:17
is one of the principal investigators of the insert the fur and cleand site into the virus I'd like to know more about
1:59:24
that thank you isn't that curious then there are other scientists
1:59:29
that have pieces of this puzzle so the answer is we don't know exactly one theory is that it was concocted in the
1:59:36
US and sent over to Wuhan to this Wuhan
1:59:42
Institute of Urology for testing in their bat in their bat collection which
1:59:47
is the Chinese bats rather than the Egyptian fruit bats that's plausible that's one person's Theory there are
1:59:54
other theories that even a related research group uh German and Dutch may
2:00:01
have played a role because they have in Wuhan research but when the virus broke
2:00:09
out in that uh period at the end of uh 2019 early
2:00:15
2020 there's commotion among the scientists what the hell is this where'
2:00:20
this come from oh my God did we do this how'd this Escape or whatever nobody
2:00:25
knows of course so they start having secret calls and one of the most uh uh
2:00:33
important of these calls was on February 1st 2020 that was then uh uh memorialized by
2:00:43
one of the participants in a long memo all of which became public through a
2:00:49
Freedom of Information Act subsequently because our government has lied to us about every single moment of this from
2:00:56
the start hasn't told us anything about any of this it's all whistleblowers or Freedom of Information Act that's the
2:01:03
only way we know any of what I'm describing to you right now no one has told the truth at all so uh on the
2:01:11
February 1 call the scientists say oh God this looks like a lab stuff one of
2:01:19
them says I can't figure out how this could have ever come out of Nature and they're all looking at the fur and
2:01:25
cleavage site because they know this group of scientists knows that's the object of research that's the goal it's
2:01:31
never been seen before in in a virus like this it's you know it's it's the signature right there I did this and
2:01:39
uh four days later that group authors the first draft
COVID Origins
2:01:47
of a paper called the proximal origins of s
2:01:52
Cove 2 that says it's a natural virus the same people wrote it the same people
2:01:59
who privately said it's uh out of a lab most likely so it's just that is
2:02:04
provably a coverup then that's a coverup this paper is a fraud it has not been retracted until today it's a fraud where
2:02:13
did it run it ran in nature medicine in March 20 which I think is is considered
2:02:19
one of the most credible medical journals right I read it when it came out it was I think the most cited
2:02:27
paper in biology or in Medicine by far in 2020 everyone wanted to know where
2:02:34
this virus came from uh I read it and I went around knowingly telling everyone
2:02:41
oh it's not a it's natural you have to read proximal origins of SARS Cove to
2:02:46
because it never occurred to you they would lie in nature medicine because this is the top of the Heap of the
2:02:54
scientific journals and the scientific establishment the top nature you know
2:02:59
there are two great science magazines in the world that have a a history that is
2:03:04
so deep one is science that's the US one and the second is nature which is the British one and nature uh is uh the one
2:03:13
that uh originally published Darwin and it's you know it's so
2:03:19
illustrious and I was so smart you know oh you didn't read nature SARS Cove 2
2:03:26
proximal Origins because you believe that stuff when it's written there it's a fraud that paper and it it stands to
2:03:33
this day to this day they have not retracted it there is last week a call
2:03:39
by several scientists to the editor a very clever one calling for its retraction because this is interesting
2:03:47
uh all in the weeds but it's like everything we're talking about the the the non-stop line the paper was to as an
2:03:57
important extent honcho by somebody named Jeremy Farrar who at the time was
2:04:03
the director of British welcome trust which is a huge uh
2:04:11
Foundation that supports biomedical research and Ferrar was working with
2:04:16
fouchy uh to make it look like nature uh and so so he was part of this uh he was
2:04:24
part of this group but he's not a named author and at the bottom of the article
2:04:32
this more details than you want to know but at the bottom of the article thanks welcome trust well under the rules of
2:04:38
Science and under the rules of a journal if there's an a contributor uh who
2:04:45
financed the thing but is not mentioned as a contributor to the article that is
2:04:50
per se a violation of uh of uh conflict of interest standards uh and that wasn't
2:04:57
revealed so just last week a group of very illustrious virologists called for
2:05:04
the retraction of this I've called for the retraction of it because it's an outright fraud because we have slack
2:05:11
messages and other email messages and uh other uh other e- messaging that says I
2:05:19
don't really believe this or you it's in other words it's clearly it's clearly a fraudulent paper
2:05:28
but they they're not moving to this moment but how can you so there's a lot of
2:05:34
debate about a pandemic treaty who is course pushing it lots of countries are
2:05:40
as well as you well know how can you prepare for a new pandemic without
2:05:47
establishing the origin of the most recent pandemic and and more than that we're going to have another pandemic if
2:05:52
it came out of a lab they're still doing this work it's not as if they said oh oh
2:05:57
my God we really blew it now we stop gain of function research there's gain of function research going on all over
2:06:04
the place and and interestingly Tucker you know last year uh
2:06:10
almost almost like Monty Python I mean but it's so serious uh Boston University
2:06:17
put out a paper based on gain a function for
2:06:23
manipulating s SARS 2 and uh and NIH
2:06:29
says uh you didn't ask for approval before doing that experiment and and Boston University
2:06:36
says we don't have to ask for approval it's not on your Grant we just we're doing it like we want and it shows we
2:06:44
got a show going on in this country right now if a university thinks it can do whatever it wants and if IH has a
2:06:53
different opinion and we have no rules and they're doing work on dangerous pathogens yeah we're going to have
2:06:58
another pandemic if even if this one didn't come from it we're this this line of work is
2:07:06
really dangerous and who's watching it well we don't know because it's DOD
2:07:13
because it's confidential because no one tells us anything and interestingly you
2:07:18
know now the house uh investigation committees trying to get at some of this
2:07:26
the Democrats completely surrounded fouchy and so we don't want to have a look at this and said this is Republican
2:07:34
Grand standing it's nuts what could be less partisan than where this virus came
2:07:41
from and we can't even get Democrats in the house now I think a few of them are
2:07:48
coming along but for a time it was complet completely partisan the
2:07:53
Republicans could investigate in the house but in the Senate where the Democrats are controlled they were
2:07:58
saying no and uh Rand Paul asked me to come in and meet his counterpart uh who
2:08:05
was the chair of the committee uh Peters and I did and now by the way they are
2:08:11
moving in the Senate because you got these bright red lights flashing holy
2:08:17
hell let's find out what happened is it strange to uh I'll wake up one day and
2:08:24
all of a sudden see like actual threats to the existence of humanity right there nuclear
2:08:30
war biow Warfare um possibly AI yeah uh but just
2:08:37
right there I mean what what big picture what is this did you ever think you
2:08:43
would after living in the most prosperous country in the world your entire life find yourself in a place
2:08:49
where the country you live in is basically causing um you know the potential
2:08:56
Extinction of of humanity you know I think it's it's really uh true and important to
2:09:04
understand that since 1945 we've been living this way and we
2:09:10
don't know it uh we're barely aware of it but the ability to screw things up in
2:09:17
this world is very high the ability to have terrible access oops I where did
2:09:22
that virus come from yeah the ability to have a nuclear war by even by accident
2:09:30
but much less when you're in the face of your opponent and talking about
2:09:35
defeating them and so forth a war between two nuclear superpowers that we
2:09:41
have normalized yeah oh we're not at War we're just feeding them all the weapons
2:09:46
and they can and the British who are the worst at this yeah they can use the weapons wherever they want uh you know
2:09:52
no no constraint no control we've been living this way but we don't know it
2:09:59
because like everything else The Narrative doesn't permit
2:10:05
it one day uh Biden uh said in I think
2:10:11
it was the fall of 2022 uh you know this is pretty
2:10:16
dangerous we could be on a path to nuclear Armageddon he didn't say that in a speech spech to the American people
2:10:22
because he doesn't give speeches to the American people he doesn't talk to the American people he doesn't have press
2:10:28
conferences he said it at some fundraiser as usual and then someone reported it what was the reaction of the
2:10:35
press the next day almost to a paper the reaction was how dare he say these
2:10:42
things how dare he scare the people how dare he say a word like Armageddon uh there was I think an editorial in the
2:10:49
Wall Street Journal if I remember correctly you know that this unforgivable this kind of slip of the president of the United States so that's
2:10:56
disgusting Biden for a moment blurted out the truth no doubt by accident no
2:11:02
doubt because he was in some fundraiser probably trying to impress some donor uh
2:11:07
but the reaction wasn't oh my God what does this mean how do we consider this
2:11:13
let's go back and think about unprovoked unprovoked unprovoked and maybe we could decide how to step a little bit back
2:11:20
from from the CLI and um no absolutely the opposite
2:11:26
completely the opposite and I've seen I mean not only the you could have a
2:11:32
pandemic that kills an estimated 20 million people and not really care to find out where it came from you can be
2:11:38
on the brink of nuclear war we can have Ukraine shelling the Zaria nuclear power plant do you know our newspapers won't
2:11:46
say that it's Ukraine shelling the power plant all they will and Ukraine is
2:11:51
shelling the nuclear power plant I can reveal uh as if it's a as as if it's a
2:11:57
surprise because the Russians are inside the power plant and the ukrainians are trying to take back the power plant and
2:12:03
so these shells come to the nuclear power plant and then our lovely our
2:12:09
lovely newspapers say each side accuses the other of shelling the nuclear power
2:12:15
plant and I happen to know for you know the reasons that I know some of these
2:12:20
things that the of course it's Ukraine shelling a plant that the Russians are inside of
2:12:28
not Russians shelling the plant that they but you can't get officialdom to
2:12:34
say this you can't get the newspapers to say this that's pretty serious to be
2:12:39
shelling a nuclear power plant I mean are you out of your I put that on the list that we've been adding to are you
2:12:46
out of your mind right don't do that but they're doing it in in the country in
2:12:52
the world that has actually had a profound nuclear accident already exactly you might mention that maybe they would know something about it that
2:12:58
there would be some rence about so that leads to my last sincere question which you may or may not answer but
2:13:05
um you know you're telling the truth about things that are big thing they're big things like the biggest things and
2:13:11
in a world where you're just absolutely as you've noted repeatedly and correctly you're just not allowed to do that and
2:13:17
you're telling the truth about people who don't care about the deaths of millions who have cause the deaths of millions so are you worried because you
2:13:24
do have credibility you're not a crank and your job and your career give you just prime a facial credibility it's a
2:13:31
big thing for you to say these things are you worried about the risks to you really I'm worried about the risks to me
2:13:38
of a nuclear war for sure I really am I I spend a lot of time with diplomats I
2:13:47
really like diplomats by the way it's even when you know countries hate each
2:13:53
other at War good diplomats smile and talk to each other and one could say you
2:13:58
know oh how cynical or but it's actually quite nice I believe the human touch is
2:14:04
what can Keep Us Alive actually I don't think it's a naive idea uh it it's actually a quite deep idea Russia has
2:14:12
one of the greatest diplomats I've ever seen I think lavro is absolutely remarkable and I've known him for 30
2:14:19
years have you really yeah it's he in a in a fair World in a ocratic world he'd be very famous even if you disagree with
2:14:25
everything he said cuz he's so obviously smart he's a astoundingly smart and
2:14:31
astoundingly capable uh and uh and he's astoundingly someone that we
2:14:39
should be speaking with to find an answer to this so the thing that um
2:14:46
makes it if I were you know shouting in the wilderness and uh just felt it's
2:14:52
insane no one's listening I'd have a very different reaction from the one that I actually carry day by day almost
2:15:01
everyone I talk to around the world is worried shares the things we're talking
2:15:08
about understands the risks makes you feel completely normal not abnormal in
2:15:15
any of this says please keep doing this can you find a way to talk here or there
2:15:21
I've spoken twice in the UN Security Council or testified twice in the UN Security Council in the last two years I
2:15:28
want to make the diplomacy work because our lives depend on it and we we stopped
2:15:37
all diplomacy in the United States all of it except what we call speaking with
2:15:42
our friends and allies but diplomacy is not speaking with your friends and
2:15:48
allies diplomacy is speaking with your counterparts even your adversaries
2:15:54
that's what diplomacy is and we've got to get it back do you think the average I said that was my last question but I
2:16:00
do have one more do you think the average American even sort of informed people has any sense at all of how close we are
2:16:06
to Annihilation I think people are worried and uh people are not happy campers and
2:16:16
people do not agree with the foreign policy of this Administration
2:16:21
but people are also very confused because we don't hear anything clear uh
2:16:27
except when you interview President Putin and we get to hear what he says
2:16:32
and and uh think of I mean that was a Monumental occasion Tucker and an
2:16:38
extraordinarily important one but how rare it is and that's what made it also
2:16:43
so extraordinary because you're not supposed to do that we're not supposed to listen to that so I think Americans
2:16:51
are uh they know that something's wrong they don't know exactly how could they
2:16:58
know uh what exactly is wrong the level of trust in government is
2:17:03
extraordinarily low that low trust has been uh unfortunately uh amply deserved
2:17:10
because our government lies and lies and lies and it doesn't even try to tell the truth anymore it tries to make a
2:17:16
narrative uh so I think people uh people sense something seriously wrong but God
2:17:25
I hope uh you know our lives are in the hands of a few people uh and uh they
2:17:31
better learn some Prudence because they have not had it for a long time uh and
2:17:36
they don't even understand what it is to talk to a counterpart and my uh absolute
2:17:43
uh core bottom line is until Biden speaks directly with Putin and starts
2:17:50
talking our lives are deeply at risk uh and uh it's unimaginable to me that we
2:17:58
are in open War as we are and we're not even trying to find the path to peace
2:18:04
right now and we have crazy statements that the president of Finland said uh
2:18:11
the path to peace is through the battlefield these people don't
2:18:17
understand anything and uh I was just going to mention two quick things uh in
2:18:23
closing you know one I spent a lot of my life studying the Cuban Missile Crisis
2:18:29
and its aftermath and I wrote a book about Kennedy's peace initiative in
2:18:35
1963 uh which was remarkable because he actually in the height of the Cold War
2:18:41
reached a the partial nuclear testband treaty with Kev and they both knew we
2:18:47
had to pull back from the brink because they both had had advisers that would have led us to nuclear Annihilation and
2:18:52
they were just completely completely shocked as the two people who had saved
2:18:58
the world but just barely how close we had come but one of the things that most
2:19:04
people don't know about the Cuban Missile Crisis is that even when Kennedy and kushev had reached an agreement we
2:19:11
almost had nuclear war after that event because of the disabled Soviet submarine
2:19:18
do you know this event because it's it's one of the most
2:19:23
remarkable little known uh facts of modern history um and it's worth
2:19:31
understanding after Kennedy and kushev reached the agreement to end the Cuban Missile Crisis Kennedy uh removing the
2:19:40
nuclear weapons from turkey and Soviet Union removing the nuclear weapons from
2:19:45
Cuba and the US promising never again to try to invade Cuba
2:19:51
uh there was a disabled Soviet sub at the bottom of the Caribbean that had
2:19:58
been sent over during the crisis and it uh blew a gasket as it were and
2:20:04
temperatures inside 120 degrees and the sailors uh uh the the Sailor fainting
2:20:11
and uh the ship deeply disabled and this was 1962 so the communications did not exist
2:20:18
the ship was out of communication they had no idea what was going on so they decided to surface and as they surfaced
2:20:26
uh American Navy Pilots were dropping charges on the sub and it's not
2:20:34
absolutely sure but one story is that uh that the uh Navy Pilot One navy pilot
2:20:42
for fun was dropping live grenades on the sub as it was surfacing rather than
2:20:49
depth charges and the uh pilot thought that they were under attack and that
2:20:55
there was a war above the surface now this was a a the lead sub of a squadron
2:21:01
of seven in the Caribbean and it was the one sub in that Squadron that had
2:21:06
nuclear tip submarines uh nuclear tip Torpedoes excuse me and under us
2:21:13
Doctrine any attack by a nuclear weapon was to be met by the full force of the
2:21:20
US nuclear Arsenal with an attack on across the Soviet Union China and all of
2:21:26
the Eastern European countries estimate 700 million Dead uh and that was to
2:21:32
happen with any nuclear attack and Curtis lame was the uh was the uh head
2:21:38
of the US Air Force at the time and he couldn't wait I I think it's fair to say
2:21:43
yes it's fair to say so what happened was this
2:21:49
Skipper uh the commander of the vessel ordered the nuclear to torpedo into the
2:21:56
torpedo Bay to be fired because he thought the ship was under attack and by Miracle a guy named
2:22:05
aripov who was the person who saved the world whose name nobody knows and I'm
2:22:12
pretty sure I have the name right uh was a party official that had a higher rank
2:22:21
than the uh the the ship's captain and said I don't think that's a good idea I
2:22:27
think we should surface and he countermanded the order at the last moment and the ship surfaced and they
2:22:35
found out there was no war and no crisis and that was the end of it and we came
2:22:41
within a moment of a full nuclear
2:22:46
Annihilation now that's a true story if people want to read about it in detail
2:22:52
the most remarkable book about this is a book by the late historian Martin
2:22:57
Sherwin called gambling with Armageddon which is a absolutely phenomenal work and Martin Sherwin some
2:23:05
people may recall as the historian who's the co-author of Oppenheimer which became the yes the screenplay he's a
2:23:11
wonderful historian who died a few years ago and he tells this story
2:23:17
in unbelievable uh riveting detail now I
2:23:24
take this not only as a literal event but as a metaphor for our reality which
2:23:30
is something can always go wrong stay away from the cliff exactly stay away
2:23:38
from the cliff this is how close we are talk to President
2:23:44
Putin negotiate with China make a two-state solution uh to stop the war in
2:23:51
the Middle East stop carrying on like you run the world because you
2:23:58
don't thank you for this and I hope that you are heard everywhere well thank you
2:24:04
thanks for all your great leadership in this Tucker cuz you're playing a huge huge role just bumbling along but that
2:24:11
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