I am “disgusting people who support war”
Caveat Emptor
🤪 I am “disgusting people who support war”
I went through this before with the educated liberals of my (Democratic Party) tribe back home back in 2015, when they (friends) screamed how dare I question Obama and Clinton. This had to do with my denouncement of the US war against Syria. Here (the video) is a quick review of Syria. The side that the liberal tribe in the west thinks they take in Syria, is actually the side of terrorists (armed, trained, funded by the west). You see also the people those weapons are targeted against:
The screaming demlibs demand I take the side of terrorists. The credibility of these people is minus one gazillion.
Now they scream about Ukraine.
While they were completely silent the last 8 years, even MSNBC now publishes the truth:
This war could easily have been prevented IF the US had listened to what Russia said very clearly for years and said one last time in December: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russia-s-ukraine-invasion-may-have-been-preventable-n1290831
Some thoughts on that…
They’re not Putin’s actions. They’re Russia’s actions.
The United States created an existential threat to Russia. Russia will not stop until her security is assured again. Decisions about Russia’s security are once again made in Moscow. Not in Washington or Brussels.
No one else will have any say regarding what Russia deems necessary for its security, which has been faced with the extreme hostility of the West. The US has been burning down one country after another for 30 years for one reason only: because they had normal relations with Russia. And the US took that right into Russia’s front door in 2014.
Russia responds to this responsibly. Because the US has pushed Russia for so long, push back was unavoidable. The west will either wake up finally to reality or we will all get beaten back farther and farther.
Keep in mind the fact that Russian military technical superiority over the entire combined west is overwhelming. We have no hope of catching up to Russian weapons for at least several decades and more likely will continue to fall further and further behind.
The sooner we wake up from our fantasy of defeating and breaking Russia into pieces, the sooner we can live sensible lives in peace. This hysterical demonizing of Russia and Putin will finally end. The sooner we get sensible the better (for us)
If this had all been done in reverse, if Russia were doing this to the US, overthrowing Canada’s government or Mexico’s and moving its military hardware in there aimed at the US, the US would do exactly the same, but much more explosively. And we would not have tried to negotiate for 8 years before doing it
2 serious Americans, Mearsheimer and McGovern say the same: The responsible party (for the war in Ukraine) is the United States
Andrew Mather, from out on the internets writes:
On photos of 'what's happening in Ukraine', my position:
The one thing I assume is that I have no idea as to what is actually going on in Ukraine right now, with both sides having good reason to skew the narrative. What we can do, as ever, is look at the US-acknowledged (proudly) initiatives, the presence of Nato and its eastwards expansion, the documented 2014 coup, the build up of Ukraine and 'interoperability' with Nato, supply of weapons, $2.7bn a year, 11 biolabs (US funded and proudly admitted until days ago when PDFs started to disappear). 13,000 deaths by the neo-N*zis appears to be pretty much accepted as fact... and Oliver Stone's follow up film ('Revealing Ukraine' or some such) has Canadian analysis of the snipers that did the Maidan killing being in rebel-controlled buildings, provocateurs leading 10 people to the 'kill zone' to be sacrificial lambs, and US officials saying they needed 100 deaths to permit regime change. The snipers provided 100 deaths. So apart from being a devastating picture, even the simplest and most jaded observation must be "this didn't start today", not to mention the old - if invasion is bad, why weren't we repeatedly punished for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc? Glad to see 'current' photos and evidence (including the debunking of photoshopped/re-used ones) but that strategic/historic view is what I fall back on for the moment.
Sensible discussion: https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/03/06/episode-411-war-for-eurasia-with-guest-joaquin-flores/
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I can say only what I THINK I’m doing. What I’m actually doing may be something else. Here’s what I think I do: I observe, evaluate, and comment on public official rhetoric and the arguments offered (officially) to back it up.
The quality of these has declined in my lifetime. The quality today falls so low it’s hard to see how it could go any lower.
Some imagine taking it yet lower though. Psychopaths with the power to do so.
And who would notice?
Not the journalists, the scientists, the government officials. It is not the case that such people are told to lie, and then lie because they’re told to, or are “bad” people, or whatever. What actually happens is described in this classic 3 minutes 7 seconds:
The level of quality that follows, that frames and forms our view of things, is like, I don’t know, like eating sludge in plastic chairs wearing nylon clothes with plastic forks on styrofoam plates.
Am I criticizing people who love this quality, identify themselves with it, are devoted to it like a religion?
I’m pointing at the toxic sludge on your styrofoam plates, your plastic forks.
But, yeah, if the shoe fits and you demand to wear it and you scream “THIS SLUDGE IS ME!” then OK, the shoe fits and you demand to wear it.
Some people say, target the source, not the audience. Which makes sense.
I go back and forth like a sine-wave, at the peaks “blame the source”, at the valleys “blame the audience”.
The thing is, if you blame only the peaks (the source of the low quality rhetoric) and never the audience, then the audience has no responsibility. And it guarantees that even the lowest quality hack, with even the stupidest rhetoric and pseudo-argument can come along, have his way, fill up your plastic plate with sewage, and walk off while you guzzle it down with self-righteousness.
The audience is responsible too.
Caveat emptor
Great post. I hope you'll take a look at my longer one, along the same lines: https://thepolemicist.substack.com/p/the-battle-of-ukraine-and-the-war?s=w
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