CDC Director says "the unvaccinated are dying at 20 times the rate of the vaccinated"
Let’s see if we can figure out what “dying at 20 times the rate” means.
Normal death rate is about 1% of the population per year. In most countries it’s a little less than 1%, about 0.9%. But for simplicity, round to 1%.
But that’s normal death rate for an entire population, all ages. People aged 80+ die at a much higher rate than people people in their teens or people in their 40s. Normal death rate is different in every age bin.
For analysis and conclusions about death rates, take your pick:
slogans for clowns, as provided in the video clip above by CDC director Walensky
serious analysis of death rates, and conclusions for serious people as presented at the following link:
“The driving motivation in doing science is being surprised and to find the unexpected and having views challenged by the data. In order to do that, one needs an open mind and the willingness to adapt conclusions based on new insight and not the do it the other way around (pushing a narrative).
La grande surprise, the main surprise was France. But also Switzerland.
Expectation / hypothesis to find a negative correlation with lockdowns was challenged by data which told us a different story and surprised us with a much stronger apparent underlying cause: obesity.
2021: Neither a positive nor negative impact of the vaccine can be seen. At least it’s not of any relevant dominance on a yearly base level. Other causes dominate. Probably lockdown, or random seasonality as also lockdown hardliners like France and Spain are doing ok for now. Detailed time window analysis by age may find 2nd order some effects. Maybe we will see the male heart (post dose 2) problems for the 18-30 years cohort (in a time window analysis). And we should see some benefit in 70+. That are the 2 trails. In the 30-70 year cohort it likely impossible to see anything.
Sweden is outperforming in 2021 (even all it’s neighbours), despite the Sweden denial in MSM.
2020: The age adjusted mortality demonstrates the overreaction in the Covid-19 crises.
The standard populations should be adapted to a more female friendly asymmetric sex population pyramid. In particular for the old ESP2013 population in the elderly bins above 50-60.
WHO2015 is not suited for countries like Europe. Yet, the country ranking is robust, even with the use of such different standard populations as ESP2013 and WHO2015-2025.
The observed excess mortality in Austria and Netherlands, is dominated by mortality in the elderly age bins. Those are 95 % vaccinated like in Sweden, Spain and France. The vaccine doesn’t reduce nor increase all cause mortality. It isn’t the underlying root cause. QR passports and the one dimensional panic driven C19 health focus has to stop.
Aging populations in Europe and the upcoming baby boomer ICU and death wave: Records in absolute age unadjusted numbers every year for the next 20 years in Europe is unavoidable. This is normal and simply the result of the boomer group moving through the end of life age bins. In order to avoid a general panic every winter, mortality must be age adjusted or even better only analysed by age group and not aggregated into one total number mortality or mortality rate number. Do not panic based on a Simpson’s paradox. Scale up health infrastructure to face this wave of an aging population (and the resulting increasing need for ICU capacity as those get terminally or severely ill).
“A baby boom obviously follows by an elderly boom at some point.” And this makes an ICU and death boom at the end.”
Will CDC Director Walensky explain what “dying at 20 times the rate” means?
What is her definition of “vaccinated” and “unvaccinated”?
Are people who are covid-jabbed a second or third time 13 days ago vaccinated or unvaccinated?
Are people who are vaccinated tested for covid in hospitals in the US?
Is a vaccinated person who dies categorized as death from covid using the same criteria as deaths among unvaccinated? Or are the classification criteria radically different?
Is the statement (“dying at 20 times the rate”) nothing but absurd sloganeering nonsense?
Or does it actually mean something real?
If it means something real, does it mean that elderly vaccinated people are now dying at about 1/20th their normal rate of death while the unvaccinated are dying at their normal rate of death (20 times higher rate than vaccinated who now are dying at 20 times lower rate than normal?
Or, does it mean that vaccinated people are dying at the normal rate of death while unvaccinated people are dying at 20 times the normal rate of death?
6.1 and 6.2 fail the smell test. They stink. Walensky’s statement wafts an ungodly stench, like SURSTRÖMMING:
Those are normal human reactions to stench.
But when it comes to science, and medicine, and public health policy, many people, apparently most, can’t tell the different between rotten corruption and reasonable public health policy, or between a drug-pushing gangster cartel in corporate suits, and actual uncorrupted science and medicine. Rotten fish and fresh fish smell exactly the same!
Wake up and smell the rot.
The Covid paradigm is:
Intellectual atrocity
Medical atrocity
Scientific atrocity
Moral atrocity
Criminal atrocity
Psychological atrocity
Physical atrocity
The paradigm is so absolutely atrocious and belief and support of it so widespread that one wonders what’s worth saving? What’s worth standing up for? Human beings are beggars for abuse. They beg for their own annihilation. So why stand up for anything human? Nobody gives a fuck.
Someone replied to that and said:
No, we are not begging for abuse. Not begging for annihilation, on the contrary we are trying to avoid it - well "annihilation" is way to strong, but avoid serious negative effects on the society (and some individuals) due the spread of the Covid.
In my mind, the thing with all the experts that wrote the article above is that there are at least as many exeperts pointing in the other direction - mass vaccination. I'm not saying authors of the article are wrong, but that there are different opinions on this. Right ?
There is no possibility - none - for a lay man to value all the scientific information on Covid and take an informed stance. Can't you see that ?
On top of that, when anti-vaccers (or whatever you would like to call yourself) claim that I am begging for abuse - well that does not build your case in my mind.
Out of the 5000 Swedes in ICU with Covid in both 2020 and 2021, how many of them would be in ICU anyway if SARS CoV 2 had never come into existence? Almost all of them, right?
We live in a world of viruses and respiratory illness. Covid has not changed the rate of respiratory illness. Neither have covid vaccines.
Look at these graphs of deaths from respiratory illness in Germany since 1980. And deaths from pneumonia and influenza since 1980.
1. death from all diseases of the respiratory system dropped in 2020 to the lowest number since 2014;
2. death from pneumonia dropped to the lowest number since 1980.
What impact does Covid make on any real measure of hospitalization and all cause death rates? It’s insignificant. And for that, your want EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD to be continuously injected with exotic harmful products (they are harming MANY people)
Yes, you are begging for abuse. And begging for annihilation with the boot of corruption stomping on the human face forever (as Orwell said: “the future” is now).
You are missing my point. How come that so many other experts, authorities, countries came to a different conclusion ?
You dont address that. Why is that ? That needs to be answered in order to question the mass-vaccine regim. Can you do that or can't you ?
And dont come back with me "begging for abuse", that is not an argument, right ?
You don’t answer my question. Because the answer to this question leads to recognition of reasonable proportionality, which shows all of the covid paradigm policy responses absurd and irrational as they are.
Likewise, you ask again the same question that you’ve asked so many times and that has been answered so many times. Perhaps reflect on the answers that have been given, by so many, so often. There is a pharma industrial complex, that is intertwined with bureaucracy which has evolved into a malignant totalitarian form, worldwide. So far, Sweden remains relatively a minor case, but near neighbors are very far gone into a very dark hole of, literally, fascism, almost totally unleashed. And it is creeping. Everywhere.
Here’s a dispatch from Germany, from an American playwright who lives in Berlin:
Regarding your questions to me, I can't answer or disprove what you are saying. That is my point. As I can not do with the agenda driven from our authorities either.
I am a lay man in this sense, and I guess you are too.
How to know that the agenda you are driving is the right one ? There is a bunch of scientists, testamonies, experts, authorities, hospitals claiming the opposite of what you are claiming. Why are you right, and they wrong ?
The track record from the usage of vaccine och the last century is overwhelming positive. Why not comment on that ? Do you think there has never been an useful vaccine regime ?
I can - once again - not judge what is right and what is wrong in this "debate" lets call it . I have to go with the source that seems most reliable and have a decent track record.
Having a "pharma industrial complex" basically running all authorities, nations, research center, media in order flood the world with vaccine is far fetched - to say the least.
It is not far fetched in the slightest. It is evidenced everywhere one looks. Why not read Robert Kennedy’s book which, like many other similar efforts, collects and organizes the evidence that’s both in plain sight, and hidden (to lay people) in the bureaucratic archive, and manifested in the increasingly depraved actions of corrupted institutions.
But can anyone evaluate conflicting assertions? I think it is not as hard as you say. Those driving and fortifying the covid paradigm are empty handed. Their assertions are shown to be baseless, easily, every time, all the time. While those pointing this out are simply smeared, dismissed, their evidence, science, reason, logic, argument, not addressed. They’re just attacked and denounced.
Tommy Lennhamn has nearly every week produced serious discussion of Swedish covid data, and on the other hand, officials are monotonously vacuous and unhinged. They answer no questions. They say nothing reasonable. They repeat idiotic slogans scripted for them by international bodies of corruption (you can tell, because of the absence of genuine thought coming from any of them, and the repetition of the same idiotic slogans by bureaucratic automatons worldwide).
I’m a “lay person” yeah, one who lost confidence in corrupt officials decades ago for good reason. They betray trust. They remove all justification, in the US where I’m from, for confidence in their intentions and actions. We’re ruled by a kakistocracy. The disease of misrule spread over Europe after some delay. The rot is more advanced in the US. Well, this needs an update. Trying to measure which is more kakistocratic, by now is pointless.
Things are more obvious in the US though. Given the legality — the law changed 20+ years ago in the US — of pharma advertising in the US, the result is that Pfizer owns all mass media in the US. This is not an exaggeration. To get a sense of how obvious that is, besides in depth analysis of the proportion of funding to news and media organizations in the US supplied by pharma, see this:
Just as pharma owns all of mass media, pharma likewise owns all of government now, all of science, all of medicine, and they own all of us.
Selling Sickness: How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All Into Patients Paperback – June 23, 2006
by Ray Moynihan (Author), Alan Cassels (Author)
“Thirty years ago, the head of the drug company Merck made some remarkably candid comments about his distress that his company's market was limited to sick people. Suggesting he would like Merck to be more like the maker of Wrigley's chewing gum, the CEO said it had long been his dream to make drugs for healthy people, to "sell to everyone." That dream now drives the marketing machinery of the most profitable industry on earth. From award-winning Ray Moynihan, -- one of the world's top medical journalists -- Selling Sickness reveals how widening the boundaries of illness and lowering the threshold for treatments is creating millions of new patients and billions in new profits. This in turn is driving up personal drug bills and threatening to bankrupt national health systems all over the world. As more and more ordinary life is "medicalized," the industry moves ever closer to being able to "sell to everyone."“
Such reporting is old news, from 15 years ago, reporting on Merck CEO comments from 30 years earlier. But look at them now baby! Whoooooooo!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!!!Drugs for EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME. ENFORCED BY LAW. And for anyone who declines, NO JOB, NO FOOD. YOU DIE!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Far fetched? No.
Who’s an anti-vaxxer? YOU are!
Everyone commenting here is an anti-vaxxer, by definition, whether you feel that coronavirus vaccines are useful or not. I invite anyone to show otherwise.
It’s a good time to make this clear as Denmark now (according to news media and Danish officials) enters a new dark period, with coronavirus cases higher than ever, and renewed lockdown measures forthcoming. This in a country with near total compliance with coronavirus vaccine double injection, and now many with a third injection.
I turned 18 years old in 1985. At that time, in the United States (where I’m from) by age 18, as expected according to public health officials, and enforced to varying degree by different local school districts, I’d received 7 or 8 vaccine injections in total by age 18. Like everyone I knew, I received all of these injections as required for school attendance.
By the way, those injections took place at an age young enough that by age 18 I had no memory of them at all. They were all at or near birth and or within the first few years of life. Too young to remember the injections.
If I’d been born later though, things would have been different. Federal law changed in 1987 to insulate vaccine manufacturers from damages claimed in courts by the vaccine injured and their families. Since 1987, these costs of damages in the US are paid by the US government instead of by pharmaceutical companies. And damage payments are controlled and limited by the 1987 legislation as well. The primary result was complete indemnification of pharma companies.
The consequence of that change is that today, those who have reached age 18 are recommended not 7 or 8 vaccine injections by age 18, but 78 vaccine injections by age 18. And that’s before coronavirus vaccines. So if you are 18 years old in 2021, you’ve had your 78 vaccine injections, plus 3 coronavirus injections so far.
Now take an 18 year old in 2021 and add the injections through 2051, 30 more years of 3 or 4 more vaccine injections per year. Now the 48 year old has had 78+3+30(3)= 171 vaccine injections by age 48.
Given that officials have made clear, openly stating that the coronavirus mRNA vaccine technology is a “platform technology” that will be used for rapid development and rollout of new vaccines for new uses on an ongoing continuous basis, 3 injections required per year from now on is probably an understatement.
The formula for 48 year olds could look more like 78+3+30(8)= 321 vaccine injections by age 48. And of course that would continue, 8 more injections every year.
But without looking forward at all, following the US CDC vaccine recommendations as they are right now, by age 18, everyone who is not an anti-vaxxer has had 81 vaccine injections already today. How many of those 81 vaccine injections have YOU had? If you’re pointing your finger at others and calling them “anti-vaxxers” it might be a good idea to point the finger at yourself and ask, how many vaccine doses have I skipped so far?
If you identify and call yourself NOT an anti-vaxxer, then that means, supposedly, that you are NOT “VACCINE HESITANT”. You do not hesitate on vaccine doses. And certainly you skip none. You are the opposite of hesitant. If you’re not an anti-vaxxer, that means you enthusiastically seek out and take every vaccine injection offered. You skip zero doses. If you skip even a single dose, then you are vaccine hesitant, and by definition you’re an anti-vaxxer. So how many vaccine doses have you skipped?
You can calculate the number of vaccine injections you should have taken by now like this:
This calculates your vaccine schedule according to current CDC recommendations (which increased >10X since 1987).
So in 2021, if you’re 50 years old, you should have had (50-18)(1) + 81 vaccine injections. For a 50 year old in 2021, that’s 113 vaccine injections. If you’ve had less that 113 vaccine injections, then you are vaccine hesitant. And you’re an anti-vaxxer.
If you’re 70 years old in 2021, you should have had 133 vaccine injections already. If you’ve had less than that, you’re an anti-vaxxer.
These numbers are for people who lived most of their lives before 2021. It is in 2021 that 3 or more new additional injections per year every year for the entirety of a lifespan are introduced. So for someone born in 2021, if they make it to age 50, their requirement by age 50 is at least (50)(3) + 78. That’s 228 injections by age 50. By age 70, 288 vaccine injections. If it’s 4 per year instead of 3 then at age 50 it’s 278 injections, at 70, 358.
Everyone here who thinks they’re not an anti-vaxxer IS an anti-vaxxer, all extreme offenders already today. You are probably 40, 50, 60, 70 or more vaccine doses short of CDC recommended (or required) vaccine injections in 2021. If you’re 40, 50 , 60, 70 doses behind schedule, you are extremely vaccine hesitant.
By definition, you are a HARD CORE anti-vaxxer.
Important relevant Swedish data graphed for clarity by Tommy Lennhamn:
vaccinating/boosting in the middle of a peak seasonal surge is directly counterproductive when the vaccine causes well documented immuno-suppression for ~2 weeks post dosing. (data HERE)
and counter to michelle’s final point, vaccines do NOT stop you from playing host or reduce mutations. in fact, leaky vaccines are notorious for making viruses worse by inverting their evolutionary gradient by imposing a new selector that demands greater virulence. this is also WELL DOCUMENTEDand looks to have INCREASED DELTA CFR. she and milind have that one exactly backwards. societal scale leaky vaccine administration (especially if it mitigates symptoms and severity while allowing spread) is the antithesis of social duty. the enhanced spread and greater virulence leaves EVERYONE worse off, even the vaxxed. it’s clearly visible in what happened in delta over the summer in the UK
OAS aka is looking more and more prevalent. this is vaccine induced antigenic imprinting that prevents future adaptation to changing pathogens and locks immune response into a past pattern that may not serve you well and may inhibit the formation of sound, sterilizing immunity in the future. this is another offshoot of vaccines with too narrow and specific an immune training vector.
omi looks very mild so far relative to others. this is what a covid looks like as it goes endemic and becomes a cold. there is nothing here to upend the world over. it’s not a ghost town due to pandemic. it’s a ghost town due to humans having lost all sense of proportion. half the world is normal right now and it could all be if people just realized how badly they are over-reacting. we went to woodstock during a virus worse than this.
Hmm. I guess it’s fair to ask, if it’s “the vaccines” that did this, WHY DO THE VACCINES ONLY WORK IN SWEDEN?
I wonder, is it that Sweden actually worked out sometime last year a set of reasonable treatment protocols for covid? Reasonable in the sense that they’re effective?
Is it maybe possible — while a lot of the rest of the world, probably worst in the USA, are actively suppressing treatments that work, by dictate from NIH and the rest of the usual suspects — that some places in the world are now actually treating patients with treatments that work? Is that a hypothesis worth investigation?
Here’s a proposal:
Get back to the practice of medicine that’s based on treating the sick, with treatments that are as effective as possible. Maybe that’s more effective for public health than injections for the ENTIRE HEALTHY POPULATION, coerced either by intentionally induced hysterical fear, or by other more physically direct coercion.
Why inject anyone for that matter?
Why?
Isn’t it better to treat the sick with treatments that work?
